The Church of Ireland still exists though it is no longer the established
church. In 1994 I found records in one Church of Ireland parish going back
to the 1870's and in a adjoining Catholic parish going back to the 1830's.
Ed Swan
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Olympia, WA
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From: "Richard Fulton" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Anglo Irish and such, Irish in early Virginia
> Here are some of my views on the questions:
> Anglo-Irish: Yes, there was such a term and group of people in Ireland.
> Goes way back. In the 1100's Henry I (I think it was the first),
> grandson of William the Conqueror bounced over to Ireland and "conquered"
> Ireland. Little English control was established over most of the
> Island, but the King's army, civil administrators, and other Englishmen
> settled in some numbers around Dublin. The around around Dublin became
> known and the "Pale" or "English Pale" and the people there called them
> "Anglo-Irish" to distinguish themselves from the native Irish. By the
> time of migrations from the British Isles to the American Colonies in the
> 1600's, the population of the "Anglo-Irish" had grown quite a bit,
> concentrated around Dublin, but also scattered out in smaller groups
> throughout Ireland. The vast majority of these people converted to
> Church of England (called in Ireland the Church of Ireland, what we
usually
> call Episcopal today in America) after Henry VIII did his thing with the
> church.
>
> Irish in British Colonies: During the 1600's and 1700's relatively few
> native Irish or Catholic Irish came to America. Primarily because they
> were extremely poor and could not afford the passage and viewed in the
> prejudice and culture of the times as not a good risk as an indentured
> servants. Englishmen, Scotsmen, and Germans were plentifully available
> as endentured servants and preferred. In general anyone arriving in the
> American colonies from Ireland, were labeled as "Irish" by American
already
> here. So in the 1600's through about 1718 most of the "Irish"
immigrants
> to America were from the "Anglo-Irish" as well as some early northerners
of
> Scots heritage. Starting in 1718 there began a flood of immigrants to
> British America from Ireland, mostly Presbyterian Irish of Scot heritage
> from the north of Ireland. Those we now refer to as Scots-Irish.
> There were certainly some Catholic Irish mixed in, but most were
Protestant
> Irish. It wasn't until the Potato Famine of the 1840's when large
> numbers of desperately poor Catholic Irish began flooding to America than
> those already here of Irish Protestant (mostly Scot) heritage began
> referring to themselves as Scots-Irish to differentiate themselves from
the
> Catholic Native Irish.
>
>
>
>
> In an earlier message Libbie Griffin wrote:
>
> > Kathleen, you raise an issue that has long interested me, and one I
think
> > has been little researched: that is about early immigrants from Ireland.
> In
> > labeling people "Anglican Irish" (a term I don't believe I've ever heard
> > before) do you mean Scots-Irish? If not, could you please detail whom
> you
> > mean to describe with that term?
> >
> > I have noted a great many early Virginians with Irish-sounding names,
and
> it
> > has long been my belief that many people emigrated from Ireland to early
> > Virginia, perhaps by way of somewhere in England or Scotland. Because
> the
> > great preponderance of Irish were/are Catholic, I suspect these people
> were
> > born and baptized in the Catholic church. Because there was no
Catholic
> > church in early Virginia, and because of their relatively powerless
> position
> > at the bottom of the social hierarchy, they would have been unable to
> > continue to worship within the Catholic church.
>
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