the confederites, but why, they were being besiged
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And "who" fired the first shot....at Ft. Sumter???
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orrect Carole,
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y WHOSE terminology ?
e South was NOT rebelling ! Just exercising their Constitutional rights
role
n a message dated 3/28/2011 1:56:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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he official name is War of the Rebellion.
ike Peters
nt from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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ther historical terms - But whatever they wanted to call it - A CIVIL WAR
it was not.
r Between the States
e term "War Between the States" was rarely used during the war but
came prevalent afterward in the South, as part of an effort to perpetuate its
nterpretation of the war.
e Confederate government avoided the term "civil war" and referred in
ficial documents to the "War between the Confederate States of America and
e United States of America". There are a handful of known references
ring the war to "the war between the states". European diplomacy produced a
milar formula for avoiding the phrase "civil war". Queen Victoria's
oclamation of British neutrality referred to "hostilities ... between the
vernment of the United States of America and certain States styling
emselves the Confederate States of America".
fter the war, the memoirs of former Confederate officials and veterans
oseph E. Johnston, Raphael Semmes, and especially Alexander Stephens)
mmonly used the term "War Between the States". In 1898, the United
nfederate
terans formally endorsed the name. In the early twentieth century, the
ited Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) led a campaign to promote the term
ar Between the States" in the media and in public schools. UDC efforts
convince the United States Congress to adopt the term, beginning in 1913,
re unsuccessful. Congress has never adopted an official name for the
r. The name "War Between the States" is inscribed on the USMC War Memorial
Arlington National Cemetery. This name was personally ordered by Lemuel
Shepherd, Jr., the 20th Commandant of the Marine Corps.
ranklin Delano Roosevelt referred to the Civil War as "the four-year War
tween the States". References to the "War Between the States" appear
casionally in federal and state court documents.
he names "Civil War" and "War Between the States" have been used jointly
some formal contexts. For example, to mark the war's centenary in the
60s, the state of Georgia created the "Georgia Civil War Centennial
mmission Commemorating the War Between the States". In 1994, the U.S. Postal
rvice issued a series of commemorative stamps entitled "The Civil War / The
r Between the States".
ar of the Rebellion
ring and immediately after the war, U.S. officials and pro-Union writers
ten referred to Confederates as "Rebels". The earliest histories
blished in the northern states commonly refer to the Civil War as "the Great
bellion" or "the War of the Rebellion, as do many war monuments.
he official war records of the United States refer to this war as "The
r of the Rebellion", and are a chief source of historical documentation for
ose interested in Civil War research. They are compiled as a 127-volume
llection published by the U.S. War Department under the title The War of
e Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and
nfederate Armies, U.S. Government Printing Office, 1880-1901, referred to as
e Official Records.
ar of Secession
r of Secession is occasionally used by people in the South to refer to
e Civil War. In most romance languages, the words used to refer literally
anslate to "War of Secession" (e.g. "Guerre de Sécession" in French,
uerra de Secesión" in Spanish). This name is also used in Central and Eastern
urope, i.e. "Sezessionskrieg" is commonly used in Germany, and "Wojna
cesyjna" is exclusively used in Poland (both literally translate as "war of
cession").
ar for Southern Independence
e "War for Southern Independence" is a name used by many Southerners in
ference to the war. While popular on the Confederate side during the
r, the term's popularity fell in the immediate aftermath of the South's
ilure to gain independence. The term resurfaced in the late 20th century.
is terminology aims to parallel usage of the term "American War for
dependence." A popular poem published in the early stages of hostilities was
outh Carolina". Its prologue referred to the war as the "Third War for
dependence" (it named the War of 1812 as the second such war.) On November
60, the Charleston Mercury, a contemporary southern newspaper, stated
at "The tea has been thrown overboard. The Revolution of 1860 has been
itiated."
ar for the Union
me northerners used "The War for the Union", the title of both a
cember 1861 lecture by the abolitionist leader Wendell Phillips, and a major
ur-volume history by Allan Nevins published in the middle of the 20th
ntury.
econd American Revolution
the 1920's historian Charles Beard used the term the "Second American
volution" to emphasize the changes brought on by the Northern victory.
is is still used by the Sons of Confederate Veterans organization, though
th the intent to demonstrate the depth of the South's cause.
ar of Northern Aggression
e "War of Northern Aggression" has been used by those who maintain that
e Union side was the belligerent party in the war.
ar of Southern Aggression
e "War of Southern Aggression," conversely, has been used by those who
intain that the South was the belligerent party.
rom: Carole D. Bryant
nt: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:44 AM
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bject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS'
ame here in Southern Maryland !!
ma said, "It was NOT a 'civil' war!" !!
a message dated 3/28/2011 12:42:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
am a life long Tennessean and many in my family were in the CSA. In
ct
great Grandmother told me, when she was in her eighties, that she
dn't
ow "damyankee" was two words until she was grown. Likewise until I was
own I had never heard the phrase"War of the Rebellion". It was always
lled The War between the States (having upgraded from the War of
rthern
gression). One of my older relatives called it the "Recent
pleasantness"
into the early 20th century. My own mother warned me not to call it
e
vil War. As you can see feelings ran pretty strong down here!
enta Davis
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om: robert yingst
nt: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:41 AM
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bject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS'
t was also called the War of Rebellion before that became politically
correct to use.
n Mar 27, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Fern wrote:
This is especially interesting for families like mine who had as many
soldiers in the CSA
as they had on the UNION side.
The War Between the Stats. Yes, that's stats, not states.
Historians and statisticians are questioning the statistics of
Confederate War dead. Official military records compiled in 1866
counted 40,275 North Carolina soldiers who died in uniform.
Reportedly, North Carolina had more men die in uniform than any other
Confederate state, although not as many as New York in the Union. Now
new investigations seem to show the 1866 claims, made when records
were spotty, are highly inaccurate.
While the new counts are not yet complete, it looks like the true
count will be about 31,000 deaths of North Carolina soldiers during
the war. Meanwhile, a separate count iis being made of Virginia
soldiers and it looks like its final tally will also be about 31,000,
far higher than previous reports.
"It's going to be close," says Virginia librarian Edwin Ray, the man
making the count of Virginia deaths in uniform.
The issue tends to be emotional in the affected states which have
pride in their soldiers who died for the losing cause. Whatever the
final count, many people will have difficulty believing it.
New York reported the most deaths of any state: 46,534, according to
the 1866 federal report.
You can read more in an article by Cameron McWhirter in the Wall
Street Journal at http://goo.gl/usb0U If this link does not work -
y
this one:
tp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704662604576202823930087328.ht
?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
Another interesting fact is that Cameron McWhirter had family fighting
for the CSA
and this family member was a 'friend' of my distant cousin General Abe
Buford
who rode with General Forrest -CSA..
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