You never know when you post a query.....just where the trail is going.
I'm pleased that in responding so many of you have gone back to memories
of your youth. Your comments have reminded me of my own youth.....the war
years of collecting tin cans, newspapers and buying war bond stamps, black
outs, putting on extra sweaters so we could save on heat and walking just
about everywhere we went in the 40s. I never felt deprived because I had
parents that quietly shielded me from the shortages of food and gas. I was
blessed to have a youth that was a simple but happy time despite the misery
in the world.
So, in this Thanksgiving season, I hope all of you too have much to be
thankful for....past and present.
M.
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:39 AM, lirvinflinn <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> Hello All
> Back in about 1960 I boarded with my Great Aunt. My room was upstairs and
> had minimal heat. At night I had a blanket and about 5 quilts on and still
> thought I would freeze to death. This was in Central Virginia. So a lot of
> Quilts were necessary.
> Irvin
> On 11/21/2012 12:00 AM, VA-ROOTS automatic digest system wrote:
>
>> There are 12 messages totaling 1079 lines in this issue.
>>
>> Topics of the day:
>>
>> 1. About having many quilts (2)
>> 2. About bedcovers... was inventory (5)
>> 3. Caveat Lector - was: About bedcovers... was inventory
>> 4. was About bedcovers...now Palatines
>> 5. wagon tent (3)
>>
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>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
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>>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:22:19 -0500
>> From: Pat Grogan <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: About having many quilts
>>
>> I remember my grandmother telling me that when she married at age 21 she
>> had made 21 quilts to take with her into the marriage. She was very proud
>> of that.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or
>>>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central
>>>>
>>> heat...
>>>
>>>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood and
>>>> had
>>>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay
>>>> awhile,
>>>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which would
>>>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep
>>>> everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into
>>>> "straw
>>>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor to
>>>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's.
>>>>
>>>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and
>>>>
>>> sisters
>>>
>>>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or
>>>>
>>> three
>>>
>>>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one
>>>> for
>>>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at their
>>>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold wouldn't
>>>>
>>> even
>>>
>>>> come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly freezing
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in
>>>> the
>>>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose.
>>>>
>>>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the
>>>> 20th
>>>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold
>>>> in
>>>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in
>>>> flight
>>>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals
>>>> and
>>>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister) who
>>>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the
>>>> next
>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from that
>>>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that
>>>> started
>>>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the "Little
>>>>
>>> Ice
>>>
>>>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a
>>>> large
>>>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his
>>>> neighbors.
>>>>
>>>> Thank goodness for central heat.
>>>>
>>>> Carolyn
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carolyn HALE BRUCE
>>>> Virginia Beach, VA
>>>>
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>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:05:00 -0500
>> From: Janice <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>> This brings up a topic closely related to your hollow/holler remarks. If
>> you have the opportunity to see many of the old records you'll come across
>> many given names which were changed from the original to end in -"er".
>> Priscilla/Prisciller, Ella/Eller, Alma/Almer, etc. The names almost always
>> originally end with an 'uh' sound. Of course, hollow doesn't end in an 'uh'
>> unless you pronounce it as hollah.
>>
>> My question is, can we possibly trace this speech pattern to a particular
>> old-world region? Wouldn't it be great if we could use it to narrow our
>> search for ancestor origins to something more precise than the name of the
>> country?
>>
>> I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this for us.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Janice
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kitty Manscill <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 1:57 pm
>> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>>
>> I am glad they use the word Hollow. I grew up in the Shensndoah Valley
>> and
>> the word was Hollow, but where I live now, in East Tennessee, they say
>> and
>> spell it Hollar. Which I say means yell. One local woman told me that
>> they were called Hollars because people had to yell to each other. I told
>> her where I grew up, a hollow was a small valley. We did not communicate
>> well.
>>
>> Kitty
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carole D. Bryant" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:37:29 -0600
>> From: Charlotte Tucker <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>> Thank you !!!!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carole D. Bryant" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>>
>> For others interested, Hollow Folk may be read on-line:
>>>
>>> _http://babel.hathitrust.org/**cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/**mode/1up_<http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/mode/1up_>
>>> (http://babel.hathitrust.org/**cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/**mode/1up<http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/mode/1up>
>>> )
>>>
>>> Carole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/19/2012 11:16:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>
>>> Carole, if you have a chance to read the book, hope you will get back
>>> to
>>> me.
>>> M.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Carole D. Bryant
>>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>
>>> "Hollow Folk" ! I reckon those folk were anything but "hollow" !
>>>> Such
>>>> living most often results in solid personal character -- the kind of
>>>> people
>>>> some of us would like to have for neighbors ! ! ! Kind and generous,
>>>> honest
>>>> and faithful, God-fearing and spiritually strong.
>>>>
>>>> I know my comment is a bit "off subject," but I couldn't resist. The
>>>>
>>> term
>>>
>>>> just jumped out at me. There are exceptions, of course, but
>>>> generally
>>>> our
>>>> "soft living" today is producing an unkind and greedy, deceitful and
>>>> incompetent, immoral and spiritually dead society ! Give me the old
>>>> "hollow
>>>> folk" ANY day !
>>>>
>>>> Carole D. Bryant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>>
>>>> Carolyn, what a nice response. Many of my kin came to the Shenandoah
>>>> Valley in the 1730s. I can't imagine how tough the conditions were
>>>>
>>> while
>>>
>>>> they tried to put up a cabin. I look at how spoiled I am (can't be
>>>>
>>> too
>>>
>>>> warm or too cool) and wonder how, genetically, my line survived.
>>>>
>>>> Your comments reminded me of a book I read ...Hollow Folk by Mandel
>>>> Sherman
>>>> and Thomas R. Henry. It was written in 1933 and tells of life in the
>>>> hollows on the Blue Ridge Mountains. From the tone of your
>>>> email....I
>>>> think you may enjoy it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Madaline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or
>>>>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central
>>>>>
>>>> heat...
>>>>
>>>>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay
>>>>>
>>>> awhile,
>>>>
>>>>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which
>>>>> would
>>>>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to
>>>>> sleep
>>>>>
>>>> > everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into
>>>>
>>> "straw
>>>
>>>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor
>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>
>>>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's.
>>>>>
>>>>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and
>>>>>
>>>> sisters
>>>>
>>>>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or
>>>>>
>>>> three
>>>>
>>>>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one
>>>>>
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at
>>>>>
>>>> their
>>>
>>>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>
>>>> even
>>>> > come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly
>>>>
>>> freezing
>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the
>>>>>
>>>> 20th
>>>
>>>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>
>>>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in
>>>>>
>>>> flight
>>>
>>>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister)
>>>>>
>>>> who
>>>
>>>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the
>>>>>
>>>> next
>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from
>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>
>>>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that
>>>>>
>>>> started
>>>>
>>>>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the
>>>>>
>>>> "Little
>>>
>>>> Ice
>>>>
>>>>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a
>>>>>
>>>> large
>>>>
>>>>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his
>>>>> neighbors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank goodness for central heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carolyn
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>> > Carolyn HALE BRUCE
>>>>
>>>>> Virginia Beach, VA
>>>>>
>>>> >
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 02:01:57 -0600
>> From: Poldi Tonin <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>> Have read the first 30 pages of book and wish I could find the complete
>> book. Written by health and social professionals in the 1930's from
>> research on-site, it is an eye-opener to the horrid living
>> conditions of the folks in the five subject Hollows.
>> The ignorance, laziness, filth and poverty these people were content with
>> in the 20th century America is horrid. Intermarriage and perpetual
>> pregnancy, lack of health services and high death rate of infants is
>> pitiful.
>> This book does not glamorize the folks of the Hollows but reveals their
>> hidden communities in their mountain shacks all of which are described as
>> less than 100 miles from the U.S. capital.
>>
>> Thanks for the link to the book.
>> Tree Mother
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lona Boudreaux <[log in to unmask]
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting. I will look for this book as my husband and I have
>>> enjoyed our visits to the Blue Ridge area.
>>>
>>> Lona
>>> Monroe, Louisiana
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Domer
>>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:38 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>>>
>>> Carole-
>>>
>>> You are right on the mark with your analysis of people then and now.
>>>
>>> Sharon Shaffer Domer
>>>
>>> From: Carole D. Bryant <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>>>
>>> "Hollow Folk" ! I reckon those folk were anything but "hollow" ! Such
>>> living most often results in solid personal character -- the kind of
>>> people
>>> some of us would like to have for neighbors ! ! ! Kind and generous,
>>> honest
>>> and faithful, God-fearing and spiritually strong.
>>>
>>> I know my comment is a bit "off subject," but I couldn't resist. The
>>> term
>>> just jumped out at me. There are exceptions, of course, but generally
>>> our
>>> "soft living" today is producing an unkind and greedy, deceitful and
>>> incompetent, immoral and spiritually dead society ! Give me the old
>>> "hollow
>>> folk" ANY day !
>>>
>>> Carole D. Bryant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>
>>> Carolyn, what a nice response. Many of my kin came to the Shenandoah
>>> Valley in the 1730s. I can't imagine how tough the conditions were
>>> while
>>> they tried to put up a cabin. I look at how spoiled I am (can't be too
>>> warm or too cool) and wonder how, genetically, my line survived.
>>>
>>> Your comments reminded me of a book I read ...Hollow Folk by Mandel
>>> Sherman
>>> and Thomas R. Henry. It was written in 1933 and tells of life in the
>>> hollows on the Blue Ridge Mountains. From the tone of your email....I
>>> think you may enjoy it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Madaline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or
>>>
>>>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central
>>>>
>>>> heat...
>>>
>>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood and
>>>> had
>>>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay
>>>> awhile,
>>>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which would
>>>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep
>>>> everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into
>>>> "straw
>>>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor to
>>>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's.
>>>>
>>>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and
>>>>
>>>> sisters
>>>
>>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or
>>>>
>>>> three
>>>
>>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one
>>>> for
>>>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at their
>>>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold wouldn't
>>>>
>>>> even
>>>
>>> come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly freezing
>>>>
>>>> in
>>>
>>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in
>>>> the
>>>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose.
>>>>
>>>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the
>>>> 20th
>>>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold
>>>> in
>>>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in
>>>> flight
>>>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals
>>>> and
>>>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister) who
>>>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the
>>>> next
>>>>
>>>> on
>>>
>>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from that
>>>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that
>>>> started
>>>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the "Little
>>>>
>>>> Ice
>>>
>>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a
>>>> large
>>>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his
>>>> neighbors.
>>>>
>>>> Thank goodness for central heat.
>>>>
>>>> Carolyn
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carolyn HALE BRUCE
>>>> Virginia Beach, VA
>>>>
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