On 6/7/2011 10:28 AM, Carole D. Bryant wrote:
> Jim, I have no idea yet if he was serving as an apprentice. It was a
> farming community, and in all the censuses, he was always a farmer, so he may
> have been working on the farm of his guardian. Though I have yet to check
> guardianship records in the courthouse, I did find (in his papers) an (begun in
> 1819 and paid in full 1821) account in the name of his guardian. My
> problem is that I am not sure of his birth year. Judging by censuses, he was born
> 1799-1800. But then, looking at this 1817 tax receipt -- in his name -- I
> began to wonder if he was older than I thought .... hence, the question.
>
> Thanks !
> Carole
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/7/2011 8:47:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> You're welcome, Carole. I'll yield to Tim Spradling. My knowledge is
> primarily a practical one; i.e., what worked for me. I did quite a bit of
> research to back it up but clearly not to the extent Tim did.
> I do believe that the person that you mention would not have to pay
> until age 21. Do you think he was serving as an apprentice to his
> guardian?
> I believe the guardian would pay the tax until he was 21. If you could
> find
> the tax year he turned 21, it might give a clue as to who his guardian was
> if that is of interest. The guardian could be a relative. This
> especially
> can work when there is an ambiguity in the county with more than one
> person
> of the same name. In my case, in King William County, at age 21, my
> ancestor was listed as William Terry (son of Gideon) to distinguish him
> from
> the two other William Terrys in the county. That kept up for several
> years.
> This helped the Sheriff know which one paid his taxes. (The same thing
> happened in Brunswick County on another of my lines.) Possibly you might
> find your person designated in some similar way.
> Good luck,
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carole D. Bryant
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:08 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] age to pay taxes in 1817?
>
> Thank you, Jim !
>
> In the case I'm looking at, there is no father and the person I'm looking
> at has a "guardian." (I am not sure if he is living by himself or if he is
> in the home of a relative.) Does this mean that he, himself, will begin to
> pay at age 16?
>
> Carole
>
>
> In a message dated 6/6/2011 1:03:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> My understanding is that taxes were paid at age 21. There were
> exceptions
>
> for Constables and other categories that didn't pay taxes. One clue to
> the
> age and to find the father that I always use is that the father paid taxes
> for white tithables as of age 16. In a couple of counties, I checked each
> year's personal property tax lists for the years' prior to when a person
> first paid taxes to find their father. It worked for me in Brunswick and
> King William Counties during the time frame from 1782 to about 1830 (I
> didn't need to go more recently). Some years have other tax records that
> are also helpful. The records for many counties are available from the
> LDS
> microfilm collection, including these two.
> Jim Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carole D. Bryant
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] age to pay taxes in 1817?
>
> A receipt for taxes paid was found in a collection of "old papers" kept
> all these years by the family.
> Actually, I do not know the man's age with any certainty, but am trying to
> nail it down. Seems like this might be a clue, IF I knew how old he would
> HAVE TO BE to be charged for levies.
>
> Carole
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/6/2011 11:39:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> How did you find out the amount of taxes they paid and do you think the
> age
> ? would be for the 1700s?
> Thanks,
> Margie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carole D. Bryant
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 3:22 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [VA-ROOTS] age to pay taxes in 1817?
>
> This question can be combined with my earlier question.
>
> If a young man paid Virginia Personal Property taxes in 1817 (county
> levies
> $.35; parish levies $.44), it would mean he was over what age?
>
> Thank you very much.
> Carole
>
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Carole,
Is he selecting his own guardian or is one being appointed? While he
would have had a guardian until he was 21 - He could select his guardian
before that (16 ??).
Then the tax records where he should appear as a tithable starting at
16 under the head of household.
Some other events that might indicate an
age- 1-when do you find him signing
as a witness on a deed or will,
2-are there guardianship accountings and when do they stop? he would be 21
3- Is there any additional estate records,or land or property sales -
4- Did he sign his own marriage bond? would need to 21
Marilyn Jackson
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