Irrelevant !
Wouldn't YOU shoot first, if YOU were sure you and your home were
threatened ? ! !
Carole
In a message dated 3/28/2011 5:00:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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And "who" fired the first shot....at Ft. Sumter???
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Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS'
correct Carole,
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Subject: Re: War between the 'STATS'
By WHOSE terminology ?
he South was NOT rebelling ! Just exercising their Constitutional rights
arole
n a message dated 3/28/2011 1:56:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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The official name is War of the Rebellion.
Mike Peters
ent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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ubject: War between the 'STATS'
Other historical terms - But whatever they wanted to call it - A CIVIL
WAR
it was not.
ar Between the States
he term "War Between the States" was rarely used during the war but
ecame prevalent afterward in the South, as part of an effort to
perpetuate its
interpretation of the war.
he Confederate government avoided the term "civil war" and referred in
fficial documents to the "War between the Confederate States of America
and
he United States of America". There are a handful of known references
uring the war to "the war between the states". European diplomacy
produced a
imilar formula for avoiding the phrase "civil war". Queen Victoria's
roclamation of British neutrality referred to "hostilities ... between
the
overnment of the United States of America and certain States styling
hemselves the Confederate States of America".
After the war, the memoirs of former Confederate officials and veterans
Joseph E. Johnston, Raphael Semmes, and especially Alexander Stephens)
ommonly used the term "War Between the States". In 1898, the United
onfederate
eterans formally endorsed the name. In the early twentieth century, the
nited Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) led a campaign to promote the
term
War Between the States" in the media and in public schools. UDC efforts
o convince the United States Congress to adopt the term, beginning in
1913,
ere unsuccessful. Congress has never adopted an official name for the
ar. The name "War Between the States" is inscribed on the USMC War
Memorial
t Arlington National Cemetery. This name was personally ordered by Lemuel
. Shepherd, Jr., the 20th Commandant of the Marine Corps.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt referred to the Civil War as "the four-year War
etween the States". References to the "War Between the States" appear
ccasionally in federal and state court documents.
The names "Civil War" and "War Between the States" have been used jointly
n some formal contexts. For example, to mark the war's centenary in the
960s, the state of Georgia created the "Georgia Civil War Centennial
ommission Commemorating the War Between the States". In 1994, the U.S.
Postal
ervice issued a series of commemorative stamps entitled "The Civil War /
The
ar Between the States".
War of the Rebellion
uring and immediately after the war, U.S. officials and pro-Union writers
ften referred to Confederates as "Rebels". The earliest histories
ublished in the northern states commonly refer to the Civil War as "the
Great
ebellion" or "the War of the Rebellion, as do many war monuments.
The official war records of the United States refer to this war as "The
ar of the Rebellion", and are a chief source of historical documentation
for
hose interested in Civil War research. They are compiled as a 127-volume
ollection published by the U.S. War Department under the title The War of
he Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and
onfederate Armies, U.S. Government Printing Office, 1880-1901, referred
to as
he Official Records.
War of Secession
ar of Secession is occasionally used by people in the South to refer to
he Civil War. In most romance languages, the words used to refer literall
y
ranslate to "War of Secession" (e.g. "Guerre de Sécession" in French,
Guerra de Secesión" in Spanish). This name is also used in Central and
Eastern
Europe, i.e. "Sezessionskrieg" is commonly used in Germany, and "Wojna
ecesyjna" is exclusively used in Poland (both literally translate as "war
of
ecession").
War for Southern Independence
he "War for Southern Independence" is a name used by many Southerners in
eference to the war. While popular on the Confederate side during the
ar, the term's popularity fell in the immediate aftermath of the South's
ailure to gain independence. The term resurfaced in the late 20th
century.
his terminology aims to parallel usage of the term "American War for
ndependence." A popular poem published in the early stages of hostilities
was
South Carolina". Its prologue referred to the war as the "Third War for
ndependence" (it named the War of 1812 as the second such war.) On
November
,
860, the Charleston Mercury, a contemporary southern newspaper, stated
hat "The tea has been thrown overboard. The Revolution of 1860 has been
nitiated."
War for the Union
ome northerners used "The War for the Union", the title of both a
ecember 1861 lecture by the abolitionist leader Wendell Phillips, and a
major
our-volume history by Allan Nevins published in the middle of the 20th
entury.
Second American Revolution
n the 1920's historian Charles Beard used the term the "Second American
evolution" to emphasize the changes brought on by the Northern victory.
his is still used by the Sons of Confederate Veterans organization,
though
ith the intent to demonstrate the depth of the South's cause.
War of Northern Aggression
he "War of Northern Aggression" has been used by those who maintain that
he Union side was the belligerent party in the war.
War of Southern Aggression
he "War of Southern Aggression," conversely, has been used by those who
aintain that the South was the belligerent party.
From: Carole D. Bryant
ent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:44 AM
o: [log in to unmask]
ubject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS'
ame here in Southern Maryland !!
ama said, "It was NOT a 'civil' war!" !!
n a message dated 3/28/2011 12:42:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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I am a life long Tennessean and many in my family were in the CSA. In
act
y great Grandmother told me, when she was in her eighties, that she
idn't
now "damyankee" was two words until she was grown. Likewise until I was
rown I had never heard the phrase"War of the Rebellion". It was always
alled The War between the States (having upgraded from the War of
orthern
ggression). One of my older relatives called it the "Recent
npleasantness"
p into the early 20th century. My own mother warned me not to call it
he
ivil War. As you can see feelings ran pretty strong down here!
renta Davis
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rom: robert yingst
ent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:41 AM
o: [log in to unmask]
ubject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS'
It was also called the War of Rebellion before that became politically
ncorrect to use.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Fern wrote:
> This is especially interesting for families like mine who had as many
soldiers in the CSA
as they had on the UNION side.
The War Between the Stats. Yes, that's stats, not states.
Historians and statisticians are questioning the statistics of
Confederate War dead. Official military records compiled in 1866
counted 40,275 North Carolina soldiers who died in uniform.
Reportedly, North Carolina had more men die in uniform than any other
Confederate state, although not as many as New York in the Union. Now
new investigations seem to show the 1866 claims, made when records
were spotty, are highly inaccurate.
While the new counts are not yet complete, it looks like the true
count will be about 31,000 deaths of North Carolina soldiers during
the war. Meanwhile, a separate count iis being made of Virginia
soldiers and it looks like its final tally will also be about 31,000,
far higher than previous reports.
"It's going to be close," says Virginia librarian Edwin Ray, the man
making the count of Virginia deaths in uniform.
The issue tends to be emotional in the affected states which have
pride in their soldiers who died for the losing cause. Whatever the
final count, many people will have difficulty believing it.
New York reported the most deaths of any state: 46,534, according to
the 1866 federal report.
You can read more in an article by Cameron McWhirter in the Wall
Street Journal at http://goo.gl/usb0U If this link does not work -
ry
> this one:
ttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704662604576202823930087328.ht
l?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
Another interesting fact is that Cameron McWhirter had family fighting
for the CSA
and this family member was a 'friend' of my distant cousin General Abe
Buford
who rode with General Forrest -CSA..
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