Hello Diane

The Y-DNA signature you disclose below is markedly different.  As you 
suggest, they are clearly not from the same root genetic stock within 
the last 10,000 years.

You suggestion that an adoption occurred, to save an orphan, is sound 
reasoning.

If it seemed that I suggested you were jumping to conclusions I 
apologize...my intent was only to suggest to you, and others on this 
board, that DNA testing is no reason to jettison hard-won genealogical 
research.

If you were to join one of the DNA researcher bulletin boards you would 
be shocked at the absurd rationale being applied to Y-DNA and mtDNA 
signatures as they pertain to religious affiliation, dark circles around 
the eyes, and superstitious belief in things unseen.

Take care, Diane, and thank you for sharing a bit of your family with us.

Jim

Diane S Sanfilippo wrote:
> Jim -
>
> I have based my statements on a huge difference in haplogroups!
> 1. Col. John Starke descendants - haplogroup 'G'
>     Thomas Starke descendants - haplogroup 
> R1b1 13 24 14 10 12 15 13 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 16 18
>
> 2. Jeremiah York - haplogroup 'R1b1'
>
>     Captain William York - haplogroup 
>
> J2 12 23 14 11 13 15 11 17 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 29 14 20 29 13 14 16 17
>
> I do NOT think I have jumped to any conclusions!!
>
> I also stated that the most logical possibility was that their mothers were widows who married into the family, or orphans who were taken in by another family. I doubt we will ever know the connection, however I do know that blood does not lie, and different haplogroups (very different) are a sure sign that we are not descended 'by blood' from the other family... I am searching for 'blood' ancestors... and I have simply stopped with the only shaky link.
>
> Diane S
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>
>   ladies and gentlemen
>
>   I've been following this thread and remain 
>   chagrined.  Unless you perform 67 allele testing,
>   and certain SNP tests, you will not know if you 
>   are, or are not, part of the family with which
>   you harbor a history.
>
>   As an example - my 67 allele test shows a close
>   match between my family and the Bowles family.
>   However, after contacting an expert geneticist we 
>   discovered that we had a common ancestor,in
>   Iberian Peninsula, roughly 800 years ago.  To be
>   clear, we had EXACT DNA matches at 12,25, and 37
>   Allele testing.
>
>   Now, in light of the foregoing, do not rule out
>   the possibility of a common ancestor many 
>   centuries earlier or an adoption - adoptions
>   without paperwork happened all the time -
>   especially with sea-going families who possessed
>   an infant.  If you find a complete mismatch in
>   the haplotypes of Y-DNA then do not rule out the
>   notion of an adoption or a common ancestor within
>   the last 1,000 yearas.  Many adults have the
>   strength of character not to tell their adopted
>   kids that they were adopted as infants - and they
>   stuck to it.
>
>   Don't be so quick to jettison a rich heritage just
>   because an emerging scientific discipline provides
>   a fact that is contrary to your years of 
>   genealogical research.  The discipline of DNA
>   research and analysis is still young; there is
>   much that we do not yet know.
>
>   Jim
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