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Tucker Ranson <[log in to unmask]>
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Tucker Ranson <[log in to unmask]>
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I don't know about Virginia and history, but in present day New York
City/State, jail is for pre-trial confinements (for those who cannot
make bail) and for sentences of less than one year, which are served
locally, while those convicted and sentenced to terms longer than one
year are sent upstate to penitentiary. However, in keeping with
Paul's distinction, below, felonies are generally given over a year
and misdemeanors less than a year. However on the street both are
called "jail" without distinction (although the distinction here may
be made by referring to "upstate" (since all the rest of NYS is north
of NYC, or referring to "state time," as in "doing state time").

St. George Tucker Ranson


At 06:40 PM 7/16/2006, Paul Drake wrote:
>There is and was a substantial difference between "jail" and
>"penitentiary"; the former quite usually built to confine felons
>only, and the latter, those guilty of misdemeanors.  Then too, jails
>were almost always the places of confinements for those who were to
>be held by order of the court pending trial or other disposition of the case.
>
>I think you have no choice but to view and read that entry yourself,
>and then see if there are any further criminal records to be found
>at either the county of state level.  I personally have not seen any
>court order that used those two terms synonymously or as in "either, or".
>
>Paul
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Shelley Murphy
>   To: [log in to unmask]
>   Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:12 PM
>   Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Jails and Penitentiaries in Virginia-
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>
>   As you know West Virginia received its statehood in 1863 and
> prior to that it
>   was Virginia. I am trying to find out about the jails or
> penitentiaries that
>   would of served the Jefferson County Virginia area around 1838.   Any
>   suggestions on how to find someone that would of been found
> guilty in 1838, and see if
>   the individual served anytime actual time etc, or if there is a record etc.
>   So far I am not able to find anything in Jefferson County, the
> record was in
>   Richmond, in an Order Book-that said he was found guilty and sent
> to public jail
>   and penitentiary (info given to me by Pat Duncan). Thanks for any input,
>   Shelley
>
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