I have an amusing story for you. My paternal grandfather was born as George Everet Hart having been named as a middle name after a maternal family name Everoit. WHen he went off to World War ! somehow his documents got mixed up and his named was put down as Everet Hart.
When he got out of the service he just allowed it to remain that way and ever after he was know as Everet Hart and his son my father was named Geo. Everett Hart the same as him but never was known as JR. Yesterday I found my fathers original birth certificate amongst some family belongings and right there on the birth certificate it says my grandfathers real name is George Everet Hart same as my dads.
GO figure! I really cannot imagine how he allowed it all to just muddle along ! But I really like the name Everett and am hoping to convince one of my kids to name a grandkid after him.
have a great geneaological day!
Alyce Hart
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> Topics of the day:
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> 2. name abbreviations.
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> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:15:31 -0500
> From: Ted Delaney <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> I'm curious what the prevailing opinion is about the
> reliability and =
> consistency of given name abbreviations in 18th- and
> 19th-century =
> Virginia documents.
>
> For example, does "Jas" always mean
> "James"?
>
> Can "Jos" mean anything other than
> "Joseph"?
>
> If we are transcribing names from a primary source of that
> period, is it =
> wrong to record "Geo" as "George"? Are
> there professional or ethical =
> standards about this?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Ted
>
>
> **********************************
> Ted Delaney
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> Lynchburg, Virginia
> (434) 847-1465
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:29:40 -0500
> From: Margaret Kerr Beckwith
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> Ted,
>
> I personally believe that we should always use the full
> given name. I think
> that the abbreviations such as you mention have caused all
> genealogists/family historians angst for years!
>
> Margaret Kerr Beckwith
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Delaney" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:15 PM
> Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Given Name Abbreviations
>
>
> I'm curious what the prevailing opinion is about the
> reliability and
> consistency of given name abbreviations in 18th- and
> 19th-century Virginia
> documents.
>
> For example, does "Jas" always mean
> "James"?
>
> Can "Jos" mean anything other than
> "Joseph"?
>
> If we are transcribing names from a primary source of that
> period, is it
> wrong to record "Geo" as "George"? Are
> there professional or ethical
> standards about this?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Ted
>
>
> **********************************
> Ted Delaney
> Archivist & Curator
> Old City Cemetery Museums & Arboretum
> Lynchburg, Virginia
> (434) 847-1465
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:54:45 -0600
> From: Paul Drake <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> I write both names when I am writing narrative, especially
> when I encounter
> such as "Jas." "Jon" "Joe"
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and
> family history.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ted
> Delaney
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:16
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Given Name Abbreviations
>
> I'm curious what the prevailing opinion is about the
> reliability and
> consistency of given name abbreviations in 18th- and
> 19th-century Virginia
> documents.
>
> For example, does "Jas" always mean
> "James"?
>
> Can "Jos" mean anything other than
> "Joseph"?
>
> If we are transcribing names from a primary source of that
> period, is it
> wrong to record "Geo" as "George"? Are
> there professional or ethical
> standards about this?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Ted
>
>
> **********************************
> Ted Delaney
> Archivist & Curator
> Old City Cemetery Museums & Arboretum
> Lynchburg, Virginia
> (434) 847-1465
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:00:09 -0700
> From: nelhatch <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com
> HALL DNA project: =
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm
> "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the
> closet" - Val D =
> Greenwood
>
> "Jos" can also be Josiah.
>
> The problem I've occasionally encountered is the
> interpretation of Jas =
> and Jos. They look amazingly alike when handwritten and
> I've often found =
> Jos transcribed as Jas or James and Jas transcribed as Jos
> or Joseph.
>
> Nel Hatcher
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:06:41 -0600
> From: Elizabeth Shown Mills <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> Ted Delaney asked:
> >I'm curious what the prevailing opinion is about
> the reliability and
> consistency of given name abbreviations in 18th- and
> 19th-century Virginia
> documents.
> >For example, does "Jas" always mean
> "James"?
> >Can "Jos" mean anything other than
> "Joseph"?
> >If we are transcribing names from a primary source of
> that period, is it
> wrong to record "Geo" as "George"? Are
> there professional or ethical
> standards about this?
>
>
> The last question should be answered first. Transcription
> standards require
> us to transcribe the document precisely. If a name in a
> document seems to
> read "Jos.", we violate standards if we alter
> that to read "Joseph." If we
> are absolutely certain that the individual called
> "Jos." was indeed Joseph,
> then we may offer our clarification by doing two things:
> (1) write the name
> exactly as it appears; (2) add our clarification in square
> editorial
> brackets. Example
>
> Witnesses:
> Jos. [Joseph] Jones
> Jno. [John] Smith
>
> Most genealogists have endless "horror stories"
> about "helpful" transcribers
> who read a name as "Jos." and silently changed it
> to "Joseph" when, in
> reality, the "o" was a poorly formed
> "a" and the individual was "Jas."
> [James]. Those silent alterations cause genealogical
> problems for
> generations thereafter, as researchers continue to consult
> the erroneous
> transcriptions and abstracts.
>
> While "Jos" might have typically been
> "Joseph," it was also used for other
> names such as "Josiah." Conversely,
> "Josiah" might have been written as
> "Jos" followed by a superscript "h"
> (which can't be rendered here in ASCII),
> but that "Jos"-plus-superscript-"h" was
> also used for Joseph. Similarly,
> Jno. often appears for Jonathan.
>
> Transcription standards in genealogy are codified in two
> publications that
> are now standard textbooks in our field:
>
> 1. _BCG Genealogical Standards Manual_ (Provo: Ancestry
> Publishers, 2000).
>
> 2. Mary McCampbell Bell, "Transcripts and
> Abstracts," and Christine Rose,
> "Family Histories" (chapters 16 and 23)
> _Professional Genealogy: A Manual
> for Researcher's Writers Editors, Lecturers, and
> Librarians_ (Baltimore:
> Genealogical Publishing Company, 2001).
>
>
> Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG
> Course Coordinator and Faculty
> Samford University Institute of Genealogy & Historical
> Research
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:05:25 -0800
> From: Joy Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> I would transcribe names EXACTLY as given in the original
> record. If it says Geo. I leave it that way. And if the
> handwriting is sloppy where you can't tell if it is an
> "a" or and "o", I will put down
> "Jas. [or Jos. ?] so that search engines will pick it
> up.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Ted Delaney
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > From: Ted Delaney <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Given Name Abbreviations
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 10:15 AM
> > I'm curious what the prevailing opinion is about
> the
> > reliability and consistency of given name
> abbreviations in
> > 18th- and 19th-century Virginia documents.
> >
> > For example, does "Jas" always mean
> > "James"?
> >
> > Can "Jos" mean anything other than
> > "Joseph"?
> >
> > If we are transcribing names from a primary source of
> that
> > period, is it wrong to record "Geo" as
> > "George"? Are there professional or ethical
> > standards about this?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
> > **********************************
> > Ted Delaney
> > Archivist & Curator
> > Old City Cemetery Museums & Arboretum
> > Lynchburg, Virginia
> > (434) 847-1465
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:05:19 -0500
> From: Betty Duke <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: name abbreviations.
>
> And does Jno always mean John. I am sure my ancestor's
> given name was John,
> but in early censuses his given name is recorded as Jno.
> And why was it
> easier to write that then John? Same for William. Does Wm
> always mean
> William?
>
> It is frustrating.
>
> Betty
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:25:42 -0500
> From: Thelma Glover <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> The problem I've occasionally encountered is the
> interpretation of Jas and
> Jos. They look amazingly alike when handwritten and
> I've often found Jos
> transcribed as Jas or James and Jas transcribed as Jos or
> Joseph.
>
> Nel Hatcher
>
> To me this is an excellent reason to transcribe the
> original doc verbatim
> and not guess at the intent of the scribe. If looking at an
> abstract, better
> find a copy of the original instead of trying to guess at
> the intent.
>
> I spent some time trying to find a parent of my 4th
> ggrandmother whose
> father's name appeared in a Goodpature's History as
> John Stroud. Actually,
> her father's name was Joseph Stroud as my research
> proved. My guess is the
> info gatherer for Goodspeed's books abbreviated Joseph
> in such a way that it
> was transcribed as John and since it appeared as John in a
> "real" book, hard
> cover, and all, we know his name forever more will be John
> no matter the
> name his mother gave him.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:45:25 -0500
> From: "Jones, Louise (LVA)"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> I have found an example where Jos. stands for Joshua. I
> have also seen
> Jon. used as the abbreviation of Jonathan. Always look for
> a period
> after the abbreviation Eliza. If it is there, the name
> should be
> Elizabeth. If it is not there, the name may simply be
> Eliza.
>
> Louise Jones
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and
> family history.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thelma
> Glover
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] Given Name Abbreviations
>
> The problem I've occasionally encountered is the
> interpretation of Jas
> and=20
> Jos. They look amazingly alike when handwritten and
> I've often found Jos
>
> transcribed as Jas or James and Jas transcribed as Jos or
> Joseph.
>
> Nel Hatcher
>
> To me this is an excellent reason to transcribe the
> original doc
> verbatim=20
> and not guess at the intent of the scribe. If looking at an
> abstract,
> better=20
> find a copy of the original instead of trying to guess at
> the intent.
>
> I spent some time trying to find a parent of my 4th
> ggrandmother whose=20
> father's name appeared in a Goodpature's History as
> John Stroud.
> Actually,=20
> her father's name was Joseph Stroud as my research
> proved. My guess is
> the=20
> info gatherer for Goodspeed's books abbreviated Joseph
> in such a way
> that it=20
> was transcribed as John and since it appeared as John in a
> "real" book,
> hard=20
> cover, and all, we know his name forever more will be John
> no matter the
>
> name his mother gave him.=20
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:18:51 -0500
> From: Margaret Kerr Beckwith
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Edward Elsey & his wife, Sarah
> "Sally" Thompson
>
> This is a copy of the email I sent to the couple who used
> to have the =
> Elsey Family Association for 18 years (until 2002). If
> anyone reading =
> this has any stories that have been handed down through the
> family or =
> any other information with regard to how Edward & Sarah
> met their =
> demise, I would really appreciate you sharing it with me!
>
>
> Carol,
>
> One story that has been told to me by an Elza cousin, Roger
> Elza (a =
> minister & Civil War reenactor), has really piqued by
> curiosity!
>
> There is no one, living or dead, in my Elsey/Elza lineage
> that has =
> ever been able to explain how Edward Elsey and Sarah
> Thompson died. I =
> know you are aware that the only record we have that would
> cast any =
> light on the time of death of either Edward or Sarah is the
> legal =
> guardianship of their youngest child, Thompson. We know
> by that record =
> that by December 1821 Edward was deceased (no mention of
> Sarah at all) =
> and that Levi Coberly was named the legal guardian of
> Thompson Elza. =20
>
> Roger Elza relates to me that the story handed down in his
> particular =
> line of the Elsey/Elza family is that both Edward &
> Sarah were killed by =
> Indians during an attack! I have done a lot of reading
> about the =
> Indians fighting in this part of West Virginia and beyond
> but have never =
> come across anything about any Elseys in these
> publications/stories.
>
> This family story would seem plausible as the demise of
> Edward and Sarah =
> is not documented in any other way besides the
> aforementioned court =
> record in regard to Edward & Thompson.
>
> Did you ever hear any stories of any kind during the time
> you all had =
> the Elsey Family Association? I will continue to search
> but am really =
> intrigued by this story of Edward & Sarah's deaths.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Margaret Kerr Beckwith
> Elkins, West Virginia
> (304)636-6440
> [log in to unmask]
>
> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:57:17 -0500
> From: Margaret Kerr Beckwith
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Edward Elsey & his wife, Sarah
> "Sally" Thompson
>
> Edward Elsey's property was off the north branch of the
> Potomac River on
> Stony River in Hardy County, VA (now WV).
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sondra Reger" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "'Margaret Kerr Beckwith'"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:16 PM
> Subject: RE: [VA-ROOTS] Edward Elsey & his wife, Sarah
> "Sally" Thompson
>
>
> > What part of WV are we discussing?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Research and writing about Virginia genealogy
> and family history.
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Margaret Kerr Beckwith
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:19 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Edward Elsey & his wife, Sarah
> "Sally" Thompson
> >
> > This is a copy of the email I sent to the couple who
> used to have the
> > Elsey
> > Family Association for 18 years (until 2002). If
> anyone reading this has
> > any stories that have been handed down through the
> family or any other
> > information with regard to how Edward & Sarah met
> their demise, I would
> > really appreciate you sharing it with me!
> >
> >
> > Carol,
> >
> > One story that has been told to me by an Elza cousin,
> Roger Elza (a
> > minister
> > & Civil War reenactor), has really piqued by
> curiosity!
> >
> > There is no one, living or dead, in my Elsey/Elza
> lineage that has ever
> > been able to explain how Edward Elsey and Sarah
> Thompson died. I know
> > you
> > are aware that the only record we have that would cast
> any light on the
> > time
> > of death of either Edward or Sarah is the legal
> guardianship of their
> > youngest child, Thompson. We know by that record
> that by December 1821
> > Edward was deceased (no mention of Sarah at all) and
> that Levi Coberly was
> > named the legal guardian of Thompson Elza.
> >
> > Roger Elza relates to me that the story handed down in
> his particular line
> > of the Elsey/Elza family is that both Edward &
> Sarah were killed by
> > Indians
> > during an attack! I have done a lot of reading about
> the Indians
> > fighting
> > in this part of West Virginia and beyond but have
> never come across
> > anything
> > about any Elseys in these publications/stories.
> >
> > This family story would seem plausible as the demise
> of Edward and Sarah
> > is
> > not documented in any other way besides the
> aforementioned court record in
> > regard to Edward & Thompson.
> >
> > Did you ever hear any stories of any kind during the
> time you all had the
> > Elsey Family Association? I will continue to search
> but am really
> > intrigued by this story of Edward & Sarah's
> deaths.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Margaret Kerr Beckwith
> > Elkins, West Virginia
> > (304)636-6440
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please
> see the instructions
> > at
> > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:31:31 -0500
> From: Shelley <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
> I think it is best to use what ever is printed and if you
> know what it is, cite that as well. I have a Josiah listed
> in the bible and Joseph on all other documents and federal
> census.
>
>
>
>
>
> ?Remember Today's SOLDIER is Tomorrow's VETERAN
> Know your Roots, They are Long and Strong
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Margaret Kerr Beckwith
> <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 1:29 pm
> Subject: Re: Given Name Abbreviations
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ted,?
> ?
>
> I personally believe that we should always use the full
> given name. I think
> that the abbreviations such as you mention have caused all
> genealogists/family historians angst for years!?
> ?
>
> Margaret Kerr Beckwith?
> ?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Delaney" <[log in to unmask]>?
>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>?
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:15 PM?
>
> Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Given Name Abbreviations?
> ?
>
>
> I'm curious what the prevailing opinion is about the
> reliability and
> consistency of given name abbreviations in 18th- and
> 19th-century Virginia
> documents.?
> ?
>
> For example, does "Jas" always mean
> "James"??
> ?
>
> Can "Jos" mean anything other than
> "Joseph"??
> ?
>
> If we are transcribing names from a primary source of that
> period, is it
> wrong to record "Geo" as "George"? Are
> there professional or ethical
> standards about this??
> ?
>
> Many thanks,?
> ?
>
> Ted?
> ?
>
>
> **********************************?
>
> Ted Delaney?
>
> Archivist & Curator?
>
> Old City Cemetery Museums & Arboretum?
>
> Lynchburg, Virginia?
>
> (434) 847-1465?
>
> [log in to unmask]
> ?
>
> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see
> the instructions at?
>
> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html ?
>
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