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From: Mike Peters <[log in to unmask]>
To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: War between the 'STATS'
The official name is War of the Rebellion.
Mike Peters
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ubject: War between the 'STATS'
Other historical terms - But whatever they wanted to call it - A CIVIL WAR - it
as not.
ar Between the States
he term "War Between the States" was rarely used during the war but became
revalent afterward in the South, as part of an effort to perpetuate its
nterpretation of the war.
he Confederate government avoided the term "civil war" and referred in official
ocuments to the "War between the Confederate States of America and the United
tates of America". There are a handful of known references during the war to
the war between the states". European diplomacy produced a similar formula for
voiding the phrase "civil war". Queen Victoria's proclamation of British
eutrality referred to "hostilities ... between the Government of the United
tates of America and certain States styling themselves the Confederate States
f America".
After the war, the memoirs of former Confederate officials and veterans (Joseph
. Johnston, Raphael Semmes, and especially Alexander Stephens) commonly used
he term "War Between the States". In 1898, the United Confederate Veterans
ormally endorsed the name. In the early twentieth century, the United Daughters
f the Confederacy (UDC) led a campaign to promote the term "War Between the
tates" in the media and in public schools. UDC efforts to convince the United
tates Congress to adopt the term, beginning in 1913, were unsuccessful.
ongress has never adopted an official name for the war. The name "War Between
he States" is inscribed on the USMC War Memorial at Arlington National
emetery. This name was personally ordered by Lemuel C. Shepherd, Jr., the 20th
ommandant of the Marine Corps.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt referred to the Civil War as "the four-year War
etween the States". References to the "War Between the States" appear
ccasionally in federal and state court documents.
The names "Civil War" and "War Between the States" have been used jointly in
ome formal contexts. For example, to mark the war's centenary in the 1960s, the
tate of Georgia created the "Georgia Civil War Centennial Commission
ommemorating the War Between the States". In 1994, the U.S. Postal Service
ssued a series of commemorative stamps entitled "The Civil War / The War
etween the States".
War of the Rebellion
uring and immediately after the war, U.S. officials and pro-Union writers often
eferred to Confederates as "Rebels". The earliest histories published in the
orthern states commonly refer to the Civil War as "the Great Rebellion" or "the
ar of the Rebellion, as do many war monuments.
The official war records of the United States refer to this war as "The War of
he Rebellion", and are a chief source of historical documentation for those
nterested in Civil War research. They are compiled as a 127-volume collection
ublished by the U.S. War Department under the title The War of the Rebellion: a
ompilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, U.S.
overnment Printing Office, 1880-1901, referred to as the Official Records.
War of Secession
ar of Secession is occasionally used by people in the South to refer to the
ivil War. In most romance languages, the words used to refer literally
ranslate to "War of Secession" (e.g. "Guerre de Sécession" in French, "Guerra
e Secesión" in Spanish). This name is also used in Central and Eastern Europe,
.e. "Sezessionskrieg" is commonly used in Germany, and "Wojna Secesyjna" is
xclusively used in Poland (both literally translate as "war of secession").
War for Southern Independence
he "War for Southern Independence" is a name used by many Southerners in
eference to the war. While popular on the Confederate side during the war, the
erm's popularity fell in the immediate aftermath of the South's failure to gain
ndependence. The term resurfaced in the late 20th century. This terminology
ims to parallel usage of the term "American War for Independence." A popular
oem published in the early stages of hostilities was "South Carolina". Its
rologue referred to the war as the "Third War for Independence" (it named the
ar of 1812 as the second such war.) On November 8, 1860, the Charleston
ercury, a contemporary southern newspaper, stated that "The tea has been thrown
verboard. The Revolution of 1860 has been initiated."
War for the Union
ome northerners used "The War for the Union", the title of both a December 1861
ecture by the abolitionist leader Wendell Phillips, and a major four-volume
istory by Allan Nevins published in the middle of the 20th century.
Second American Revolution
n the 1920's historian Charles Beard used the term the "Second American
evolution" to emphasize the changes brought on by the Northern victory. This is
till used by the Sons of Confederate Veterans organization, though with the
ntent to demonstrate the depth of the South's cause.
War of Northern Aggression
he "War of Northern Aggression" has been used by those who maintain that the
nion side was the belligerent party in the war.
War of Southern Aggression
he "War of Southern Aggression," conversely, has been used by those who
aintain that the South was the belligerent party.
From: Carole D. Bryant
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:44 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS'
Same here in Southern Maryland !!
Mama said, "It was NOT a 'civil' war!" !!
In a message dated 3/28/2011 12:42:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I am a life long Tennessean and many in my family were in the CSA. In fact
my great Grandmother told me, when she was in her eighties, that she
didn't
know "damyankee" was two words until she was grown. Likewise until I was
grown I had never heard the phrase"War of the Rebellion". It was always
called The War between the States (having upgraded from the War of
Northern
Aggression). One of my older relatives called it the "Recent
Unpleasantness"
up into the early 20th century. My own mother warned me not to call it the
Civil War. As you can see feelings ran pretty strong down here!
Brenta Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: robert yingst
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS'
It was also called the War of Rebellion before that became politically
incorrect to use.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Fern wrote:
> This is especially interesting for families like mine who had as many
> soldiers in the CSA
> as they had on the UNION side.
>
> The War Between the Stats. Yes, that's stats, not states.
>
> Historians and statisticians are questioning the statistics of
> Confederate War dead. Official military records compiled in 1866
> counted 40,275 North Carolina soldiers who died in uniform.
> Reportedly, North Carolina had more men die in uniform than any other
> Confederate state, although not as many as New York in the Union. Now
> new investigations seem to show the 1866 claims, made when records
> were spotty, are highly inaccurate.
>
> While the new counts are not yet complete, it looks like the true
> count will be about 31,000 deaths of North Carolina soldiers during
> the war. Meanwhile, a separate count iis being made of Virginia
> soldiers and it looks like its final tally will also be about 31,000,
> far higher than previous reports.
>
> "It's going to be close," says Virginia librarian Edwin Ray, the man
> making the count of Virginia deaths in uniform.
>
> The issue tends to be emotional in the affected states which have
> pride in their soldiers who died for the losing cause. Whatever the
> final count, many people will have difficulty believing it.
>
> New York reported the most deaths of any state: 46,534, according to
> the 1866 federal report.
>
> You can read more in an article by Cameron McWhirter in the Wall
> Street Journal at http://goo.gl/usb0U If this link does not work - try
> this one:
>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704662604576202823930087328.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
>
> Another interesting fact is that Cameron McWhirter had family fighting
> for the CSA
> and this family member was a 'friend' of my distant cousin General Abe
> Buford
> who rode with General Forrest -CSA..
>
>
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