Nit pick away. I stand corrected.

Anita 




-- James Brothers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Just to be a nit picker it is  Amerigo Vespucci (Italian), or in  
Latin Americus Vespucius.

James Brothers, RPA
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On May 21, 2007, at 23:57, J S Freeman wrote:

> Very good point.  I just find myself frustrated with the use of  
> hypens in
> describing people as if some groups are not fully American.  I am  
> willing to
> admit that it is a pet peeve and I can be a little touchy about it.
> Ancestry matters but we are all Americans...
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
> On 5/21/07, Anita Wills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Many times it is not the people doing this, but the media and
>> government agencies. I guess it makes it easier to keep track of
>> folks. When the racial classifications started, it was the 
government
>> quantifying people. After all, even Americus Vespucci, was not
>> American (smile).
>>
>> Anita
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- J S Freeman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> On 5/21/07, J S Freeman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Greetings:
>> >
>> > I was referring to the use of hyphenations for certain groups of
>> > Americans.  Are we not all Americans?  We can be proud of our
>> ancestries but
>> > do we need to quantify things by labeling things Asian-American 
or
>> > European-American?  Theodore Roosevelt had some very interesting
>> things to
>> > say about such ideas.  Label when necessary but going too far 
down
>> that road
>> > begins to cast one group against another as if we are not all
>> Americans.
>> > The history of black Americans and American Indians is AMERICAN
>> history and
>> > should be part of the whole not looked at as something apart as 
if
>> it is in
>> > a vaccuum.
>> >
>> > Regarding St Patrick, that technically is a religious holiday,
>> though the
>> > Irish have adopted it as an ethnic holiday.  If you are not Irish
>> or Roman
>> > Catholic, I see no reason to celebrate it but I guess it is a
>> harmless
>> > pasttime if you do.  The melting pot of this wonderful country 
has
>> made it
>> > an American holiday.
>> >
>> > Regarding Cinco de Mayo, what is the reason Americans should
>> celebrate
>> > it?  This is a day that celebrates a Mexican political event; I
>> would not
>> > object if it were truly a cultural festival but I dont expect the
>> British to
>> > celebrate Independence Day on the Fourth of July so I dont see 
the
>> point of
>> > celebrating of Cinco de Mayo, or Dominion Day, the Candian 
holiday
>> on July
>> > 1.
>> >
>> > I believe in ultimate freedom so I do not believe we should deny
>> anyone
>> > the right to celebrate whatever they wish.  But teaching Cinco de
>> Mayo, or
>> > Kwanzaa- a total fraud of a cultural festival- when we should be
>> teaching
>> > American history strikes me as folly and a waste of time.
>> >
>> > Your obedient servant
>> > JS Freeman
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/21/07, Jane Steele <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > To what hyphenated labels are you referring to?  And if we can
>> celebrate
>> > > St. Patrick's Day can we as well celebrate holidays that all
>> immigrants to
>> > > this country hold dear or should we just go with the 
traditional
>> ones and
>> > > leave minorities out?  Please explain yourself.  After all St.
>> Patrick was a
>> > > slave for a while during his lifetime just as Richard Popular
>> was.  Jane
>> > > Steele.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > >From: J S Freeman <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > >Sent: May 21, 2007 12:04 AM
>> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > >Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED?
>> > > >
>> > > >I agree with your general concern about the political
>> correctness that
>> > > is
>> > > >infecting too many sectors of our society.  There is no reason
>> why
>> > > Cinco de
>> > > >Mayo (which has nothing to do with America)  or Kwanzaa (a 
total
>> fraud
>> > > >invented by a murderer) should be taught in schools.
>> > > >
>> > > >I would respectfully disagree about Harriett Tubman.  The 
point
>> is to
>> > > teach
>> > > >history in all its complexities,  not package things for 
certain
>> > > audiences.
>> > > >Black history needs to be integrated into American history-
>> which it
>> > > IS- and
>> > > >not taught as something in a vaccuum.
>> > > >
>> > > >A good example is the way Petersburg celebrates the many
>> sacrifices and
>> > > >contributions of Richard Poplar, a black gentleman who was
>> recognized
>> > > and
>> > > >lauded as a Confederate soldier and hero.  This may upset some
>> > > individuals'
>> > > >idea of what "should be" but the complexities and ironies in
>> history
>> > > are
>> > > >often the most exciting discoveries.
>> > > >
>> > > >I agree with the comments of Ms Steele but those hypenated
>> labels need
>> > > to
>> > > >go.
>> > > >
>> > > >Jay
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >On 5/20/07, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> You PC historians reap what you sow.  You spend time  
teaching
>> this
>> > > PC
>> > > >> history that "celebrates" such nonsense in American  History
>> such as
>> > > >> Harriet Tubman,
>> > > >> Cinco De Mayo and Kwanzaa, and then are upset  when 
Americans
>> can't
>> > > recite
>> > > >> the reasons behind the Fourth of July or Declaration  of
>> > > Independence.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> How about that human "global warming".
>> > > >>
>> > > >> J South
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ************************************** See what's free at
>> > > >> http://www.aol.com.
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Lillian Jane Steele
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>