What about Lincoln's actions before Jefferson Davis? P.T.G. Beauregard? He
lied and secretly sent a supply ship to Sumter AFTER he said he would not
do it!! Yes, I would say Lincoln provoked the war so he could blame the
South. As in sports, it's always the second foul that gets seen, while
the first offender gets to stand aside, with their hands in the air,
saying, Who? What ME?? Thus was Lincoln, standing free and clear!!
Yeah, right.
M. Westbrook
--- "Harold S. Forsythe" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Lincoln provoked the Civil War? What then of those whose actions
> proceeded Lincoln's: Jefferson Davis, P.T.G. Beauregard, etc?
> I am not a hero worshipper of the man, but this analysis attached
> seems 1. narrow, 2. ignores comparative evidence from the
> Confederacy (see Neely on habeas corpus in the CSA), and 3. ad
> hominem ("he professed to be a Christian...")
> These indictments of Abraham Lincoln appear to me to be one of
> the few cases where thinkers of unabashedly conservative
> orientation blast a political actor for taking direct and decisive
> action against a challenging force. Why should the Confederates
> have the consideration that no other combatants in American
> history seem to have earned in this school of thought? Please
> explain to me why?
>
> Date sent: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:44:19 -0500 (EST)
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The Constitution, Lincoln and the Rebellion
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> > The best authority I know that is an indictment of Lincoln's
> > judgment
> > in ignoring many Constitutional limitations to wage war without the
> > consent of Congress or the people, to terminate habeas corpus and
> other
> > civil rights without the consent of Congress, and to set off
> Emancipation,
> > and all that it entailed, without the consent of Congress or any
> > Constitutional or other statutory power can be found in the Sermon on
> the
> > Mount, where the Lord taught: "Enter by the narrow gate (the
> Constitution,
> > in this case); for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to
> > destruction (presidential tyranny), and many are those who enter by it
> > (Lincoln)." He professed to be a Christian, but proved to fall well
> short
> > of the teachings of Christ in his actions, as do we all I might add.
> The
> > difference is that his actions resulted in unnecessary death and
> > destruction of a level never seen before or since in this country.
> >
> > He had no significant political experience (6 years in a state
> > legislature, 2 years in Congress) and yet had the audacity to provoke
> a
> > war that dragged the entire country down to its lowest point in our
> > history. I would say no matter what spin historians put on Lincoln,
> his
> > record is one right on a level with Billy Bob, US Grant, and perhaps a
> > couple others. He could write a mean speech, but great leadership and
> > great speech making are not necessarily related.
> >
> > JDS
> >
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> Harold S. Forsythe
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> Fairfield University
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