J South,
Just exactly what comes under the banner of "his kind"? Is "his kind"
religious? Are "his kind" preachers? Are "his kind" the ones who pray every
day? Is "his kind" noticeably intelligent? Are "his kind" those who report
visions from God or instructions from God? Just what is "his kind"?
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: And Now Nat Turner
>I don't think her intentions are good. They are reverse racism clear and
> simple. Slave or otherwise, hanging was too good for him and his kind.
>
> I can't believe anyone would actually teach this Nat Turner crap.
>
> J South
>
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2008 8:52:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Anne,
> Now that you've brought my name up, I must speak. If you went to the
> link I gave you and read what the state wants us to teach in regard to
> Nat
> Turner, you would see that like Kevin's email stated, it is the
> consequences of
> the rebellion that is more important. The Virginia SOLs do NOT glorify
> Nat
>
> Turner. Most of us on this list are professionals. I can only speak
> for
> myself, but I do not teach selective history. I have an MA in history
> and
> I tell
> both sides, facts, gore and all, but as an 11th grade teacher of U.S.
> History
> and A. P. U.S. History, I am trying to get them to think in terms of
> cause
> and effect--critical thinking--NOT telling them what they should think.
> I'm
> afraid I have not had time to look at more than your Nat Turner
> entry--and
> I
> would not recommend it to my students based on that entry--it smacks of
> Wikipedia, another source I refuse to let my students use. Your
> intentions
> are
> good, but your methodology is askew. You've been given some good advice
> from
> historians on this list, I would take their advice.
>
> Cynthia Hasley
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:50:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Kevin,
>
> I followed you advice and changed the wording of his "mission from God"
> to
> that he "reported" it, which he did in his "Confession".
>
> The page is not an essay and I do not provide my conclusions on other
> pages.
> Of course, with the exceptions of Jefferson Davis and Harry Byrd, I have
> not
> dealt with persons for whom conclusions can be drawn in such a manner.
> The
> ONLY reason that Davis and Byrd are on the site is because they are in
> the
> SOLs. The same reason guided me in including Nat Turner. My intent is to
> include anyone specifically named in the SOLs, and until Ms Hasley said
> I'd
> missed the fact that Nat Turner was there, I thought I had them all.
>
> Anne Pemberton
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> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Kiracofe" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: And Now Nat Turner
>
>
> Anne,
>
> As a matter of historical writing, it matters not one bit whether you or
> I
> or any other reader believes in divine revelation, Turner did and so
> your
> sentence simply should reflect that this was his own understanding. I
> don't think that it clarifies matters for you, me, or anyone else to
> categorize that understanding as true or as delusional. When I
> suggested
> in
> my other post that Turner's belief might have been delusion, it was only
> to
>
> emphasize the point that we really can't know something so unprovable.
> On
> the other hand, Turner's white contemporaries certainly regarded him as
> deranged and delusional. You might accurately note that.
>
> As for final judgments of Turner, I don't see why your essay can't
> discuss
> both reasons as well as actions and offer appropriate judgments on both.
> Was Turner justified in fighting to end slavery? Certainly. Was
> murdering
> people in their beds a bad thing? Yes. Indeed, by giving a fuller
> treatment then you are really in a better position -- rhetorically -- to
> bring in your legitimate critique of the vengeful response of Virginians
> and
> their government. Otherwise you are engaging in an exercise in
> situational
> ethics in which ends justify means. And I don't think you want to do
> that.
>
> David Kiracofe
>
>
>
> David Kiracofe
> History
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