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>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:42:16 -0500
>From: "Paul Drake" <[log in to unmask]>
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>From Joe Drake of S'hampton Co, VA, and of interest to all
>***
>.... Question: What was the purpose of the estate inventories when
>someone died. Did they have estate or death taxes in the 1700 and 1800's?
>Educate me if you would be so kind.
>
> Question: What was the purpose of the estate inventories when someone
>died. Did they have estate or death taxes in the 1700 and 1800's? Educate
>me if you would be so kind.
>
> Thank-you
>Joe
>***
>
>Hi, Cuz Joe. In answering your question, it is necessary to speak of the
>whole matter of intestate proceedings. The overriding purpose of such
>activity is to once and for all resolve all debts owing by and those
>payable
>to the dead person, to learn of everything he/she owned at the moment of
>death and of the value of those assets, to determine who of the survivors
>is
>to have what share of those assets, and then to conclude and close forever
>the worldly affairs of that deceased.
>
>For about 800 years the power to determine who and in what percentage the
>assets of a person who died intestate are to be divided among those who
>survived has rested in the court. Before then, it was largely up to the
>family. The legislatures have over the same period established the order
>of
>priority among the survivors in intestate deaths. Those statutes are
>loosely
>known as "Statutes Of Descent and Distribution". Land "descends" and
>personal property is "distributed", thus the name given to those statutes.
>
>In addition to the taxes that from time to time and in varying amounts have
>been levied on estate property, both real and personal, it is the division
>of those assets that has been and is most significant to the family.
>
>The inventory is ordered by the court to be done by reputable/honest people
>who quite usually must also be deemed acceptable by the family. Those folks
>are to list EVERY asset, in order that sometime long after the settlement
>of
>the last affairs of the dead person no one can spring up out of the bushes
>and say that the inventory was not complete.
>
>Across those centuries, those appointed appraisers - usually three - take
>the inventory by visiting the premises (almost always), and then after
>swearing to the truth of their findings and lists, they file that summary
>with the court as part of the permanent estate file. It is from that list
>of
>sums of money and all other funds derived from the sale of any or all those
>assets that the court divides the total value between the heirs.
>
>When someone family member wants some particular piece of personal property
>or asset, the court will usually approve that IF - IF - no other heir
>objects. The value of that item to be taken "in kind" by an heir, as shown
>in the inventory entry of that piece, is then deducted from the total sum
>to
>which that heir otherwise would have received.
>
>It is this process that has caused myriad fights among families where one
>of
>the heirs enters the house and carries off what he/she want before the
>appraisers come by.
>
>Hope this answers your estate question
>
>Paul
>
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>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:08:16 -0500
>From: "Paul Drake" <[log in to unmask]>
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>Thanks to Pam Drake, and FYI. Worth remembering for all of us.
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>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:24:49 EDT
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>Subject: Re: Benjamin Harris of Goochland Co. - 1737
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>In a message dated 9/4/2005 6:30:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Hdanw writes:
>
>
> > Question: Is Soblet a Huguenot name? I know Manakin Town, where many
>of
> > the *French refugees* settled is or was in Goochland Co. For a time,
> > Goochland Co. extended below the James River.
>
>
>E.W.
>
>I am quite behind in my email correspondence, so apologize for this late
>reply. I believe the answer to your question is yes, and that the French
>version
>-- Soblet --became later bastardized shall we say to "Sublett" in most of
>the
>Goochland then Cumberland then Powhatan Co. records. I have concluded at
>the end some references online from the first Powhatan County Court Order
>book
>referring to Subletts.
>
>There are also a number of gedcoms at Worldconnect about this family, about
>which I know next to nothing in terms of their accuracy. Here is one:
>http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=:2664901&id=I525203727
>
>Regarding Goochland extending south of the James, it is always a mystery to
>me (and I wonder what politics played a part in) why those geographical
>areas
>that were part of Goochland south of the James weren't given to
>Chesterfield
>when it was created about 20 years after Goochland since it is the logical
>neighbor. But then Gooch may have been the most popular governor of
>Virginia ever.
>
>Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter
>
>
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapowhat/orders/powob1.htm
>
>The last will and testament of William Banton senr. deceased was presented
>in
>court by Anthony Martin and Isaac Porter Executors therein named and bing
>proved by the oaths of the witnesses. William Sublett and John Dupey
>securities.
>Bond in the penalty of twenty thousand pounds.
>[p130] Ordered that Daniel branch, William Harris, peter Sublett and George
>Smith or any three of them do appraise the slaves (if any) and personal
>estate
>of William Banton deceased.
>
>[p237] The last will and testament of Daniel Branch deceased was presented
>in
>court by Daniel and Thomas Branch two Executors therein named and being
>proved by the oaths of the witnesses thereto was ordered to be recorded.
>And on the
>motion of the said executors who made oath according to law and entered
>into
>bond with Isaac Porter and Peter Sublett junior their securities in the
>penalty of three thousand pounds Probate thereof is granted them in due
>form with
>leave to the other Executor to come in hereafter.
>
>[p310] On the motion of Peter Sublett who made oath according to Law
>Letters
>of Administration granted him on the Estate of Peter Sublett deceased he
>giving Security whereupon he together with Anthony Martin his Security
>entered into
>and acknowledged their bond in the Penalty of four thousand pounds
>according
>to law.
>Ordered that William Harris, Daniel Branch, Anthony Martin and George Smith
>or any three of them do appraise the Slaves (if any) and Personal estate of
>Peter Sublett deceased within this County.
>
>[p371] Articles of Agreement entered into & agreed upon by and between
>Elizabeth Sublett, Peter Sublett, William Sublett, John Sublett, Benjamin
>Sublett,
>Francis Merryman and Mary Merryman, With a Writing Purporting the Last Will
>&
>Testament of Peter Sublett deceased Annexed thereto; Was Presented in
>Court,
>Proved by the Oath of Anthony Martin & John Harris two Witnesses thereto as
>to
>all the Paraties (Except Benjamin Sublett who Acknowledged it in open
>Court)
>and by the Court Ordered to be recorded.
>
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>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:10:53 -0500
>From: "Paul Drake" <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Fw: Genealogical Information After 1936 for the Railroad---FYI!
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>FYI, thanks to Pam Drake for the URL, and important and dealing with the
>Railroad Retirement Act (RRA) records. Paul
>
>
>http://www.rrb.gov/geneal.html
>
>
>
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>Thank you for the explanation on Inventories. This should serve as a
>warning also to those of us who do not have a good Will. In Texas the
>courts still march in and appoint someone (usually an attorney) to
>administer the estate and when he gets his charges deducted from the value
>of the estate and if there are several heirs, the heirs usually can count
>on getting very little.
>Also states do have laws designating who is an heir. So if you don't like
>your cousin or sibling or step-mother, you had better draw up a will
>because they are going to have a share of anything you leave behind. Many
>folks say they don't have anything, but a look around the house says
>differently. The house, car, boat, greatgrandpa's watch, etc. are
>property.
>Tree Mother
>
>
>
>
> >>From Joe Drake of S'hampton Co, VA, and of interest to all
> > ***
> > .... Question: What was the purpose of the estate inventories when
> > someone died. Did they have estate or death taxes in the 1700 and
>1800's?
> > Educate me if you would be so kind.
> >
> > Question: What was the purpose of the estate inventories when
>someone
> > died. Did they have estate or death taxes in the 1700 and 1800's?
> > Educate
> > me if you would be so kind.
> >
> > Thank-you
> > Joe
> > ***
> >
> > Hi, Cuz Joe. In answering your question, it is necessary to speak of the
> > whole matter of intestate proceedings. The overriding purpose of such
> > activity is to once and for all resolve all debts owing by and those
> > payable
> > to the dead person, to learn of everything he/she owned at the moment of
> > death and of the value of those assets, to determine who of the
>survivors
> > is
> > to have what share of those assets, and then to conclude and close
>forever
> > the worldly affairs of that deceased.
> >
> > For about 800 years the power to determine who and in what percentage
>the
> > assets of a person who died intestate are to be divided among those who
> > survived has rested in the court. Before then, it was largely up to the
> > family. The legislatures have over the same period established the
>order
> > of
> > priority among the survivors in intestate deaths. Those statutes are
> > loosely
> > known as "Statutes Of Descent and Distribution". Land "descends" and
> > personal property is "distributed", thus the name given to those
>statutes.
> >
> > In addition to the taxes that from time to time and in varying amounts
> > have
> > been levied on estate property, both real and personal, it is the
>division
> > of those assets that has been and is most significant to the family.
> >
> > The inventory is ordered by the court to be done by reputable/honest
> > people
> > who quite usually must also be deemed acceptable by the family. Those
> > folks
> > are to list EVERY asset, in order that sometime long after the
>settlement
> > of
> > the last affairs of the dead person no one can spring up out of the
>bushes
> > and say that the inventory was not complete.
> >
> > Across those centuries, those appointed appraisers - usually three -
>take
> > the inventory by visiting the premises (almost always), and then after
> > swearing to the truth of their findings and lists, they file that
>summary
> > with the court as part of the permanent estate file. It is from that
>list
> > of
> > sums of money and all other funds derived from the sale of any or all
> > those
> > assets that the court divides the total value between the heirs.
> >
> > When someone family member wants some particular piece of personal
> > property
> > or asset, the court will usually approve that IF - IF - no other heir
> > objects. The value of that item to be taken "in kind" by an heir, as
>shown
> > in the inventory entry of that piece, is then deducted from the total
>sum
> > to
> > which that heir otherwise would have received.
> >
> > It is this process that has caused myriad fights among families where
>one
> > of
> > the heirs enters the house and carries off what he/she want before the
> > appraisers come by.
> >
> > Hope this answers your estate question
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
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>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:44:49 -0500
>From: "Paul Drake" <[log in to unmask]>
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>From: Harold Gill
>To: [log in to unmask] ; [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 6:06 PM
>Subject: RE: Fw: [VAROOTS] Fw: Inventories
>
>It might be worth noting that if the testator requested it and the estate
>was solvent the inventory would not be appraised.
>
>Because of Harold's helpful comment, it may be important to speak a tad
>about testate inventories. Though not always, testate inventories are
>widely ordered by courts where the decedent has directed distribution of
>the funds gained from some asset or assets having values not easily
>determinable for some period after the death, short of agreement, court
>order or sale, such as slaves, crops and businesses, agreements that are
>contingent upon some future event such as a child reaching maturity, where
>one or more legatees do not fully trust the executor or his/her
>co-legatees, and also because almost all wills have a so-called "rest and
>residue" provision.
>
>Where there is such a will provision, it usually appears near the end of
>the will, and provides that should any assets or funds remain after the
>debts and costs are paid and the bequests and devises are accomplished,
>then that residue is to be disposed of by the terms of that residue clause.
> Since what constitutes such a residue often can not be determined without
>an inventory revealing what assets were owned at the moment of death, such
>an inventory sometimes becomes very valuable in the courts' determinations.
>
>Paul
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