Neil you are "right on" in your remarks. It is a grand agenda that
starts on top of the mountain, winds down through the likes of
Gordon-Reed, Kukla, Ellis, Onuf, and many others. The public is asked to
absorb all that these "authorities" favor us with........you have
covered them well and I ask all readers to be aware of this. 

Herb Barger  


Anne, I understand now that you don't really know who said what here;
you are simply repeating what Jon Kukla stated in his book, that you
quote as "TJ was referring to sexual relief outside of marriage and
stated that he had found a perfect solution" -- and Kukla apparently
didn't reveal that TJ's Literary Commonplace Book was a collection of
excerpts from other author's literary work collected when TJ was only 15
years old and before his marriage.

And, ok, you say your 'pimping' bit is only your conjecture, so without
references.  

So, it seems you really don't personally have much to offer here except
your conjecture and opinion.  Too bad that you don't even have a page
number from TJ's collection so anyone can readily validate your claim at
the Library of Congress web site.

I didn't "insist" on anything in my posting, Anne, I don't understand
why you said that I did.  You seem so sensitive to your group's
'group-thinking' position.  

And, listers (including even some who are posting negatively about TJ)
should understand that most of this TJ-SH bantering at the VA-HIST and
VA-ROOTS mailing lists is not simply about differing opinions concerning
history, it pertains to politically liberal if not leftist intentions to
'take down' Thomas Jefferson along with his governmental beliefs.  Here
is what appears in the Wall Street Journal:


"Jefferson's damaged reputation may have less to do with Sally Hemings
than
with a cultural struggle taking place in contemporary academia. As
Joseph
Ellis -- historian, Pulitzer Prize winner and the point man among senior
scholars in the assault on Jefferson -- explained last year in the
William &
Mary Quarterly, Jefferson is "the dead-white-male who matters most," and
the
"most valued trophy in the cultural wars."" 

Re: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95000747


Lowell Ponte states, "In our history, Jefferson has been the patron
political saint for those who believe in small government, decentralized
power, low taxes, and individual liberty. Thomas Jefferson, in other
words, is the icon of everything today's Socialist-Marxist Left wants to
destroy. They are delighted to minimize and demonize him."  

Now these may be strong words for VA-HIST/ROOTS but listers get the gist
I'm sure, at least enough to instigate further research -- there are
many online sources readily available.  

Thanks,
Neil McDonald

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