Here is what appears in the Wall Street
Journal:
"Jefferson's damaged reputation may have less to do with Sally Hemings than
with a cultural struggle taking place in contemporary academia. As Joseph
Ellis -- historian, Pulitzer Prize winner and the point man among senior
scholars in the assault on Jefferson -- explained last year in the William &
Mary Quarterly, Jefferson is "the dead-white-male who matters most," and the
"most valued trophy in the cultural wars.""
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Ah, the WSJ:? definitely a neutral source.? Thanks.? Sure don't want to contaminate historical research with current political biases, distortions and etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: macbd1 <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:03 am
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] ANSWERS - Annette Gordon-Reed
Anne, I understand now that you don't really know who said what here; you are
simply repeating what Jon Kukla stated in his book, that you quote as "TJ was
referring to sexual relief outside of marriage and stated that he had found a
perfect solution" -- and Kukla apparently didn't reveal that TJ's Literary
Commonplace Book was a collection of excerpts from other author's literary work
collected when TJ was only 15 years old and before his marriage.
And, ok, you say your 'pimping' bit is only your conjecture, so without
references.
So, it seems you really don't personally have much to offer here except your
conjecture and opinion. Too bad that you don't even have a page number from
TJ's collection so anyone can readily validate your claim at the Library of
Congress web site.
I didn't "insist" on anything in my posting, Anne, I don't understand why you
said that I did. You seem so sensitive to your group's 'group-thinking'
position.
And, listers (including even some who are posting negatively about TJ) should
understand that most of this TJ-SH bantering at the VA-HIST and VA-ROOTS mailing
lists is not simply about differing opinions concerning history, it pertains to
politically liberal if not leftist intentions to 'take down' Thomas Jefferson
along with his governmental beliefs. Here is what appears in the Wall Street
Journal:
"Jefferson's damaged reputation may have less to do with Sally Hemings than
with a cultural struggle taking place in contemporary academia. As Joseph
Ellis -- historian, Pulitzer Prize winner and the point man among senior
scholars in the assault on Jefferson -- explained last year in the William &
Mary Quarterly, Jefferson is "the dead-white-male who matters most," and the
"most valued trophy in the cultural wars.""
Re: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95000747
Lowell Ponte states, "In our history, Jefferson has been the patron political
saint for those who believe in small government, decentralized power, low taxes,
and individual liberty. Thomas Jefferson, in other words, is the icon of
everything today's Socialist-Marxist Left wants to destroy. They are delighted
to minimize and demonize him."
Now these may be strong words for VA-HIST/ROOTS but listers get the gist I'm
sure, at least enough to instigate further research -- there are many online
sources readily available.
Thanks,
Neil McDonald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
> Neil,
>
> The reference was taken from Jon Kukla's book, and yes, it came from the
> commonplace book. TJ was referring to sexual relief outside of marriage and
> stated that he had found a perfect solution.
>
> As to the pimping, that is conjecture on my part.
>
>...."you are not safeguarding Tom's sainthood by insisting that..."
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