Hmm....tens of thousands of others (petition signers) have evaluated the 
facts and understand the issue perfectly.  Granted that President Nichol 
claims he has gained the support of 71.5% of the W&M academic faculty, but 
what's new, that's in line with national liberal-leaning statistics for 
collegiate faculty, mostly tenured professors. (I believe 71.5% is in line 
with fact, please correct me if anyone has data to the contrary.)  Look 
again, Vince Haley took credit for nothing, he simply intiated efforts to 
collect petition signatures intended to reverse President Nichol's arbitrary 
decision.  (Petioning is one of our rights you know, it's not "making a 
public political issue of it.")  At the date of the article in my posting 
(11/17/06) Mr. Haley had only 2,100 signatures of students, alumni, and 
concerned citizens of the Commonwealth of Virginia, compared to 13,000 
petitioning at other sources.  Haley's numbers now approach and likely 
exceed 20,000, plus the multi-thousands who have signed petitions at the 
other sources.
See: http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=29161&pid=1541

Please note that I did not use the term 'attacking' for your words against 
Haley, you alone used that word below.

You *did* use the words:

(1) "Vince Haley, of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative 
political think-tank, and others, chose to make a public political issue of 
it."  (He did not, you did! and who were the 'others' in your claim, I don't 
know....)
(2) "Vance and friends will no doubt claim victory for the evangelicals over 
us godless heathens, just as he took credit for stirring up the controversy 
in the first place."  (Again, he stirred up nothing except in your mind, and 
your statement is obviously outrageous.)
Re: Your posting of 2/26/07, Archiving the Cross Discussion.

It is now past time to advance civic compromise.

Regards,
Neil McDonald
PS - I somehow thought Brent Tarter said awhile back that this topic is more 
of a current issue and not to be discussed at VA-HIST.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Langdon" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] The History of the Wren Chapel


>I noted, with some good humor, that in the article, Vince Haley takes 
>credit for initiating the controversy over the Wren Chapel.  Why is it 
>*attacking him in a personal and political manner*,  to mention his polical 
>affiliation, which I assume he is proud of?  Integrity demands knowing the 
>source and evaluating the source.  How can we evaluate the source, if we 
>aren't even supposed to know the source?
>
>  [Ms] Langdon Hagen-Long
>
>
> macbd1 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  Vince Haley himself has historical information about Wren Chapel, not as
> detailed but probably as accurate and unbiased as that of Mr. McMahon's. 
> It
> also seems his words should be presented for members of this list to see 
> and
> absorb as Mr. Hagen-Long has brought him to task in a personal and 
> political
> manner, apparently towards elevating his own liberal viewpoints. What of
> Mr. Haley's rationale and further concerns that recent actions will soon
> lead to additional related removals, such as the altar table, altar rails,
> the pulpit....and what about the alma mater if that can be made pertinent 
> to
> this discussion? ...and his other concerns that seem legitimate to
> me.....and no more antagonizing and uncompromising than what I have read 
> by
> the predominance in this discussion having liberal views.
>
> Give Mr. Haley half a chance here, please, or who is being so unreasonable
> and uncompromising:
>
> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTk3Njc2MWM5OWNjZmY3MmNjYzUzMGJiNjZlZWFiY2E=
>
> Regardless of what has happened over the years to the physical Wren 
> Chapel,
> what is important are the heartfelt and mindful feelings of the place that
> were present at its beginning and that have since developed over 270+ 
> years
> that makes its history so valued.
>
> Thanks,
> Neil McDonald
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Kevin R. Hardwick, Ph.D.
> To: VA-HIST
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:08 PM
> Subject: [VA-HIST] The History of the Wren Chapel

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