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Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]>
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Paul,

I suspect to the good farmers and countryfolk whose lands were invaded, 
crops destroyed, and husbands & sons killed in the bloody battle, the 
distinction between terrorist and traitor could be fuzzy. If the south was, 
as they insist, defending their homes, they had no reason to invade 
Pennsylvania.

Anne

Anne Pemberton
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Finkelman" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Long memories


> Invading PA was not terrorism; there was terrorism in Maryland (John
> Merryman blowing up bridges etc) and in  Missouri and there wre  many
> war crimes (like Fort Pillow), but the invading armies were were not
> terrorists; traitors yes, but not terrorists
>
> Paul Finkelman
> President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
>     and Public Policy
> Albany Law School
> 80 New Scotland Avenue
> Albany, New York   12208-3494
>
> 518-445-3386
> [log in to unmask]
>>>> [log in to unmask] 02/14/07 6:11 PM >>>
> Nancy,
>
> Sorry to disturb your sensibilities, but I do think that terrorists is a
>
> good description of what the southern soldiers were doing. I'm thinking
> of
> such things as the invasion of southern Pennsylvania, the torture and
> mutilation of bodies of Union soldiers, especially black Union soldiers,
> and
> other attrocities that were committed by those who refused to accept the
>
> constitutional rule of the majority in this nation.
>
> Just as, I would not take the word only of the settlers at Jamestown for
> the
> truth of the way of life of Native Americans, I do not take only the
> word of
> southerners for what happened in the uncivil war. There was no "Northern
>
> Aggression", and, in Virginia, the Union Army did NOT "lay waste" to the
>
> land. In fact, it was the south who set their own capital city of fire
> to
> prevent the north from taking possession of the cotton in the
> warehouses. If
> it is best to research Native Americans by exploring their lives from
> their
> own perspective, then it is best to research that nasty war from both
> sides
> of the conflict.
>
> Use of the term "southern terrorists" was intended to offset the nasty
> terms
> already being thrown into the fire. Abraham Lincoln was a good,
> god-fearing,
> people-loving man who solved a grievous problem in a bad time. He paid
> for
> his goodness in his untimely death at the hands of a man who refused to
> accept the moral mandate of the nation.
>
> Anne
>
>
>
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sunshine49" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Long memories
>
>
>> "Southern terrorists"? It's bigoted name calling like that which
> causes
>> the war to never end. Once people- any people- start rewriting
> history-
>> any history- for political ends, you're in trouble.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>> -------
>> I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
>>
>> --Daniel Boone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Anne Pemberton wrote:
>>
>>> Henry,
>>>
>>> Apparently, some people do not perceive the need to "get over it",
> they
>>> just inflict that flippancy to those they disrespect.
>>>
>>> Never mind that Virginians "laid waste " to the lives, homes, and
> lands
>>> of the Native Americans. That was OK. But for Lincoln to  respond to
> the
>>> attack of the southern terrorists, was certainly  indecent of him. He
>
>>> should have just let those terrorists have  their way, as they did in
> the
>>> countryside of Pennsylvania.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
>>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Wiencek" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:02 PM
>>> Subject: Long memories
>>>
>>>
>>> This just in on the AP wire:
>>>
>>> RICHMOND, Va.
>>>
>>> Virginia lawmakers killed legislation today that would have made
>>> Virginia
>>> part of the national commemoration of Abraham Lincoln's 200th
> birthday.
>>>
>>> . . . Robert Lamb of Richmond, a member of the Sons of Confederate
>>> Veterans, told the committee that Lincoln ... quote ... "sent  armies
>
>>> into
>>> Virginia to lay waste to our land."
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> I guess "with malice toward none" doesn't cut it any longer.  Do I
> hear
>>> anyone saying "Get over it"?
>>>
>>> Henry Wiencek
>>> Charlottesville
>>>
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