J. South,
I'm working through a good stack of books now. So just tell me what document
was signed that said that Fort Sumpter would return to South Carolina in the
event the feds were not able to make the recommended upgrades. Or is this
just another of your radio-jingles?
Anne
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> Read The Real Lincoln by Thomas J. DiLorenzo.? It has a good, objective
> look at the Form Sumter incident.? That's one book that comes to mind.?
> Any account of Ft. Sumter contains at least a hint of Lincoln's stupidity.
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> The official records of the Civil War section is also a useful reference.
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> http://www.civilwarhome.com/ftsumter.htm
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> From: Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]>
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> Can you be more specific about the improvements and maintenance that were
> not done? Was that stated as a reason at the time that the feds were to
> "surrender" the fort. The term "surrender" sounds like the outcome of a
> battle, not a peaceful exchange of property among allies.?
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>> Yes, the Federal Forts, and particularly Sumter, were given to the
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>> government by the states.? Sumter was given by South Carolina on the
>> condition that certain maintenance and improvements would be made to it,
>> which the US failed to comply with.?
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>> The Oval Office is not a place for on the job training for former
>> community organizers or former state governors who don't know their way
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>> Why did the south want the federal forts to be surrended to them anyway?
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>> they paid for them? Resupplying a fort is not reason to fire on it. It
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>> reason to ask what is going on and set another date, if desired, to?
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>> surrender the fort. But, the term "surrender" suggests that the south?
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>> expected it to be a gift. What consideration were they giving for this
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>>> Nice analysis of history.? Sounds like it was written by Seward.??
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>>> The peaceful surrender of Fort Sumter was arranged for April 15th.?
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>>> Lincoln, et. al., thought they would be cute and try to resupply the
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>>> with troops and arms under the noses of the South Carolina militia.?
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>>> approach of the ships triggered the firing.? The firing triggered
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>>> brilliant Lincoln move of calling for troops from all the states in the?
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>>> the life of me, I do not understand why the south pretends they were
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>>> upon by the war, when it was the south that fired the first shot. Had
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