There's a fair amount of discussion of shipping in 1619 and 1620 in the
two articles in which Thorndale and McCartney disagree about the August
1619 arrival date for the "20 and odd Negroes." See William Thorndale,
"The Virginia Census of 1619," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 33 (Summer
1995): 155-70, and Martha W. McCartney, "An Early Virginia Census
Reprised," Quarterly Bulletin of the Archaeology Society of Virginia 54,
no. 4 (December 1999): 178-95.
Phil Schwarz
VCU
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> 1. SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625 (6)
> 2. Jamestown Ships and Piersleys Hundred??? (2)
> 3. SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1610 (10)
> 4. Ships 1609 -- Sea Venture/Patience/Deliverance/Hopkins (2)
> 5. List "Supply" 1620, Mayflower , VA Company
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:57:43 -0400
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625
>
> Dear Historians,
>
> I have been trying to determine the names of the ships that arrived in
> Virginia prior to the 1624/25 MUSTER. The colonists were supposed to give
> the name of the ship and date of arrival in Virginia, but, of course, many
> omitted one or the other, and frequently both. Also, a number of the ships
> evidently made multiple voyages bringing new colonists. Could anyone point
> me to a book, or maybe a thesis, which would be helpful? What I would like
> to know:
> 1. The names of all ships that brought passengers between 1607 and 1624
> 2. The year/years of arrival of each
> 3. The names on any passenger lists which may be extant.
>
> Most of all, I would like to know if the names of the three ships that came
> with Lord De La Warr in 1610 have been identified. He arrived on 9 or 10
> June 1610. One was named "Godspeede." Which, if any, of the ones below
> were the other two ships? The MUSTER identified all as having come in 1610.
>
> 1. GODSPEEDE - 1 person said he arrived on this ship; he was living at
> Elizabeth Cittie. This was William Coxe who--according to Adventurers of
> Purse & Person-- arrived 10 June 1610 with the party of Thomas West, Third
> Lord De La Warr.
>
> 2. MARY & JAMES [alias Mary James] - 4 persons, all of whom were living in
> Eliz. Cittie
>
> 2. Mary Ann Margett (prob. Mary & Margett) - 1 person who lived at Elizabeth
> City beyond Hampton R.
>
> 3. NOAH - 1 person who lived at Charles City, Neck of Land
>
> 4. PROSPEROUS - 4 persons: 2 at Elizabeth Cittie and 2 at West & Sherly
> Hundred
>
> 5. STARR - 5 persons: 1 on Eastern Shore, 1 at Charles City, 3 at Elizabeth
> Cittie
>
> 6. SWANN - 9 persons: 6 at Elizabeth Cittie, 2 at West & Sherley Hundred, 1
> at Jordan's Journey
>
> 7. TRYALL - 4 persons: 2 at Elizabeth Cittie, 2 at Jordan's Journey
>
> It is interesting to me that of the 29 persons who arrived in 1610, not one
> of them was living in James City. Maybe those who stayed there all had died
> because it was such an unhealthy place? Nineteen of the 29 lived at
> Elizabeth City. Why? Because it was the healthiest of all the areas?
> Because more people settled there in the first place? Because less of those
> who lived there had been killed in the massacres? Or had some who lived at
> more western locations moved there after the massacres for safety's sake?
> Four lived at West & Sherley Hundred. Three lived at Jordan's Journey. Two
> lived at Charles City. One on the Eastern Shore. Can anyone throw any light
> on this distribution of the people?
>
> I will be very grateful for any assistance you can give.
>
> Netti Schreiner-Yantis
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:23:51 -0400
> From: "W. Scott Smith" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625
>
> > Could anyone point me to a book, or maybe a thesis, which would be
> helpful?
>
> Haile, Edward Wright. Jamestown Narratives: Eyewitness
> Accounts of the Virginia Colony - The First Decade 1607-1617.
> Champlain, Virginia: RoundHouse, 1998.
>
> W. Scott Smith, Executive Director
> Bedford Main Street, Inc.
> Post Office Box 405
> Bedford, Virginia 24523
> (540) 586-2148
> www.bedfordmainstreet.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:10:32 EDT
> From: Janet Hunter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Jamestown Ships and Piersleys Hundred???
>
> In a message dated 10/16/01 12:48:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> << Dear Historians,
>
> I have been trying to determine the names of the ships that arrived in
> Virginia prior to the 1624/25 MUSTER. The colonists were supposed to give
> the name of the ship and date of arrival in Virginia, but, of course, many
> omitted one or the other, and frequently both. Also, a number of the ships
> evidently made multiple voyages bringing new colonists. Could anyone point
> me to a book, or maybe a thesis, which would be helpful? What I would like
> to know:
> 1. The names of all ships that brought passengers between 1607 and 1624
> 2. The year/years of arrival of each
> 3. The names on any passenger lists which may be extant.
> >>
> There is at the VA Genweb's archives a list that has for a number of ships
> the above information. It purports to be a 1624 census, but is NOT a
> duplicate of the names by any means in the alphabetized version of the 1623/4
> census by hundres -- the "Living & Dead" Census -- , also there. (see URLS
> for all three below). They overlap, but there are some on this other list
> that aren't on the "Living and Dead" census., even though the one organized
> by ship is said to be based on the 1623/4 census.
>
> In fact I just discovered I had downloaded this "1624" ship list/census and
> was about to ask about it (and almost deleted it because I thought it was a
> duplicate).
>
> You can find it here (FYI, it's file name is jamesships.txt ) -
>
> For search purposes, title is "Jamestown City, VA Census - 1624
> THE CENSUS OF VIRGINIA IN 1624"
>
> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+356558403051+F
>
> It appears to have been possibly cut off as the last ship is the Swann, and I
> don't see several people, like Thomas Baugh who I know were on the Supply and
> are on the other versions of the census. It also has some geographic
> locations, such as Piersleys Hundred , I assume Abraham Piercey's domain,
> that aren't on the other version.
>
> The alphabetized list of the census is here --
>
> No title, but for search purposes, first lines say "Captain John Smith,
> founded the first English Colony at Jamestown
> Virginia in 1607. The following are some (1,033) Early Virginia Pioneers"
>
> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+356458337623+F
>
> And it's sister list by geography is here --
>
> "THE LIVING AND DEAD IN VIRGINIA. A LIST OF NAMES OF THE LIVING IN VIRGINIA,
> February the 16th, 1623."
>
> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+356358298074+F
>
> If these URLs don't work you can do a search using terms in quotes above at
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm
>
> I hope this helps some and should be of interest in any event to many of you.
>
> Can any of you confirm that Piersleys Hundred, mentioned in the version
> organized by ship, would have been on Abraham Piercey's patent on the North
> Side of the Appomattox on the River, bordering both sides of Ashton
> Creek/Ashen Swamp, that was later taken up by John Baugh in 1638, and parts
> of which east of the swamp now lie in Point of Rocks Park.
>
> My best Regards,
>
> Janet (Baugh) Hunter
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:42:17 -0400
> From: "Nancy D. Egloff" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625
>
> Regarding the query written by Netti Schreiner-Yantis, we rely on a
> number of sources for our information on this topic. One is the "List
> of Ships Travelling Between England and Virginia, 1607-1630" written by
> Susan Hillier for the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation Library in 1970.
> Ms. Hillier used primary sources available at that time and compiled a
> chronological listing of vessels known to have come to Virginia.
>
> More recently, one of our former staff, Henry Moseley compiled a newer
> listing, taking a fresh look at the sources, and taking the material up
> to 1624. According to a source he found in Alexander Brown's Genesis of
> the United States, the three ships that came with Lord De la Warr's
> fleet in June 1610 were the "De La Warr" (named for him), the
> "Blessing", and the "Hercules" (ref. Brown, Genesis, 1:402-403).
> These are listed with different years in the 1624/25 Muster, but there
> are inaccuracies in the Muster. =20
>
> If anyone has further questions in this regard, please contact me
> directly.
>
> Nancy Egloff
> Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:04:32 -0400
> From: "Grundset, Eric" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625
>
> Netti,
>
> I've been following the answers to your question about the ships to
> Jamestown with interest. You always come up with the best questions!
>
> That last one about the study by the staff person at Colonial Williamsburg
> might be available on microfiche at the Virginia Room, FCPL in Fairfax City.
> They have a microfiche collection of CW studies with a guide. I haven't used
> it for a few years but this could be in it. I'll bet Suzanne would check the
> list for you to confirm or not.
>
> Eric
>
> Eric G. Grundset
> Library Director
> DAR Library
> 1776 D St., N.W.
> Washington, DC 20006-5392
> 202-879-3313
> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:58 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625
>
> Dear Historians,
>
> I have been trying to determine the names of the ships that arrived
> in
> Virginia prior to the 1624/25 MUSTER. The colonists were supposed
> to give
> the name of the ship and date of arrival in Virginia, but, of
> course, many
> omitted one or the other, and frequently both. Also, a number of the
> ships
> evidently made multiple voyages bringing new colonists. Could
> anyone point
> me to a book, or maybe a thesis, which would be helpful? What I
> would like
> to know:
> 1. The names of all ships that brought passengers between 1607
> and 1624
> 2. The year/years of arrival of each
> 3. The names on any passenger lists which may be extant.
>
> Most of all, I would like to know if the names of the three ships
> that came
> with Lord De La Warr in 1610 have been identified. He arrived on 9
> or 10
> June 1610. One was named "Godspeede." Which, if any, of the ones
> below
> were the other two ships? The MUSTER identified all as having come
> in 1610.
>
> 1. GODSPEEDE - 1 person said he arrived on this ship; he was living
> at
> Elizabeth Cittie. This was William Coxe who--according to
> Adventurers of
> Purse & Person-- arrived 10 June 1610 with the party of Thomas West,
> Third
> Lord De La Warr.
>
> 2. MARY & JAMES [alias Mary James] - 4 persons, all of whom were
> living in
> Eliz. Cittie
>
> 2. Mary Ann Margett (prob. Mary & Margett) - 1 person who lived at
> Elizabeth
> City beyond Hampton R.
>
> 3. NOAH - 1 person who lived at Charles City, Neck of Land
>
> 4. PROSPEROUS - 4 persons: 2 at Elizabeth Cittie and 2 at West &
> Sherly
> Hundred
>
> 5. STARR - 5 persons: 1 on Eastern Shore, 1 at Charles City, 3 at
> Elizabeth
> Cittie
>
> 6. SWANN - 9 persons: 6 at Elizabeth Cittie, 2 at West & Sherley
> Hundred, 1
> at Jordan's Journey
>
> 7. TRYALL - 4 persons: 2 at Elizabeth Cittie, 2 at Jordan's Journey
>
> It is interesting to me that of the 29 persons who arrived in 1610,
> not one
> of them was living in James City. Maybe those who stayed there all
> had died
> because it was such an unhealthy place? Nineteen of the 29 lived at
> Elizabeth City. Why? Because it was the healthiest of all the
> areas?
> Because more people settled there in the first place? Because less
> of those
> who lived there had been killed in the massacres? Or had some who
> lived at
> more western locations moved there after the massacres for safety's
> sake?
> Four lived at West & Sherley Hundred. Three lived at Jordan's
> Journey. Two
> lived at Charles City. One on the Eastern Shore. Can anyone throw
> any light
> on this distribution of the people?
>
> I will be very grateful for any assistance you can give.
>
> Netti Schreiner-Yantis
>
> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the
> instructions
> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:55:49 -0400
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625
>
> W. Scott Smith --
>
> Thanks for your recommendation of:
>
> Haile, Edward Wright. Jamestown Narratives: Eyewitness
> Accounts of the Virginia Colony - The First Decade 1607-1617.
> Champlain, Virginia: RoundHouse, 1998.
>
> I have found my local library has the Jamestown eyewitness accounts,
> albeit for reference only. The Library of Virginia has it for loan, and,
> since it is almost 1,000 pages, perhaps I should drive the hundred miles to
> get it to study. Sounds really interesting!
>
> Netti
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:03:36 -0400
> From: John Kneebone <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1610
>
> I did a "ship name" search, using "Hercules," in the Virginia Colonial
> Records Project Database, which is part of the Digital Library Program at
> the Library of Virginia Web site (URL below).
>
> It brought up a reference to Survey Report 00019, which describes a document
> at the British Museum (now British Library), identified as Harleian
> Manuscripts 7009, and entitled "Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in . . .
> 1610." The Survey Report says that this is Lord De La Warr's report of his
> arrival in Virginia, dated 7 July 1610. It goes on to say that "The
> Catalogue lists the ms thus: 12. Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in the
> West Indies in Three Ships, viz. the De La War Admiral, the Blissing of
> Plymouth Vice Admiral, & the Hercules of Rye Rear Admiral, July 7, 1610."
>
> That document is reproduced on microfilm reel 543 of the Virginia Colonial
> Records Project, and the microfilm can be obtained on interlibrary loan at
> your local public library from either the Library of Virginia or the
> University of Virginia Library. Be sure to give the reel number.
>
> I would not be surprised if that document is one of the transcriptions in Ed
> Haile's very large collection of first-hand Virginia narratives. I know that
> he did extensive research in the Virginia Colonial Records Project materials
> for his book.
>
> John
>
> John T. Kneebone [log in to unmask]
> Director, Publications and Educational Services
> Library of Virginia http://www.lva.lib.va.us
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:19:40 EDT
> From: Janet Hunter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Ships 1609 -- Sea Venture/Patience/Deliverance/Hopkins
>
> In a message dated 10/16/01 4:08:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> <<
> I would not be surprised if that document is one of the transcriptions in Ed
> Haile's very large collection of first-hand Virginia narratives. I know that
> he did extensive research in the Virginia Colonial Records Project materials
> for his book.
> >>
>
> John or anyone else,
>
> Separately from my Virginia crew, my small group of New England ancestors
> (later Quakers PA>NC) includes STEPH&EN HOPKINS who was on the Mayflower and
> is believed to be the Stephen Hopkins who earlier was Governor Thomas Gates'
> nemesis when their Ship the Sea Venture, bound for Jamestown in 1609 was
> ship-wrecked in Bermuda. -- events at which location are thought to be the
> inspiration for Shakespeare's "The Tempest", with Hopkins as Stephano. The
> written source for which inspiration is thought to be William Strachney's
> account. See representative online comment drawing parallels between the Sea
> Venture, the "tyranny of Gates" and the experience of the early Plymouth
> settlers -- specifically the Mayflower Compact, here --
> http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history/allen/bilingtn.htm
>
> I have two questions regarding Stephen Hopkins' VA experience. First does
> anyone know if the above cited microfilm or any other similar work has any of
> Governor Gates personal "musings" on Hopkins. Second, given his behavior in
> Plymouth, it appears that Hopkins spent at least some time in Jamestown area
> before he went back to England. Are there any records that might provide
> enlightenment.
>
> SEA VENTURE/PATIENCE/DELIVERANCE -- FYI, at this website there is a list and
> addtitional information of the passengers on the Sea Venture, the fleet of
> nine's "flagship". and only one wrecked in Bermuda, which had the VIPs on
> board (Gates, Somers, etc). In Bermuda, they built two ships to replace the
> Sea Venture, the Patience & Deliverance, that made the voyage to Jamestown.
> Hopkins, who argued that the Governor's authority no longer existed in
> Bermuda and whose behavior had won him a death sentence in Bermuda and
> pardonned after much begging with support from others, returned to England
> and his wife and children. It is likely he was not welcome in Virginia,
> hence my interest in Gates' papers.
>
> Passenger list here --
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~bmuwgw/seaventure.htm (Pictures of Gates and Somers
> here as well)
>
> A final word on any of you interested in early Massachusetts and the
> Pilgrims/Plymouth, the University of Virginia has a wonderful website for
> its Plymouth Colony Project -- akin to the "Valley of the Shadow" on the
> Civil War, that I recommend to you all. It is full of all manner of court
> documents, wills, records, etc., etc.
>
> The Plymouth home page is here --
> http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/users/deetz/home2.html
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Janet (Baugh) Hunter
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:43:43 -0400
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1607-1625
>
> Nancy --
>
> Thanks for calling to my attention the "List of Ships Travelling Between
> England and Virginia, 1607-1630" which Susan Hillier researched for the
> Colonial Williamsburg Foundation Library in 1970. Eric Grundset said it is
> possibly available at the Fairfax County, Virginia Library which we mutally
> live near. I will certainly check to see if it is. I did not find it in
> their On-line Catalog, but perhaps microforms are not included. I also did
> not find it in the LVA Catalog--and it would seem they would have it.
>
> If neither of those libraries have it, is it available for research
> elsewhere in this area that you know of? Maybe Gunston Hall? Of course,
> there is always the Library of Congress, but I never seem to find things "on
> the shelf."
>
> If all else fails, would I be able to see it at your foundation? Also,
> perhaps, Mr. Moseley's material?
>
> You can probably answer another question for me. Is the 1624/25 Muster
> available on microfilm so that one can look at it? If so, where?
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Netti
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:54:10 -0400
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1610
>
> John T. Kneebone --
>
> Thanks for the reference. It is precisely what I needed! It is also
> interesting to see that there were NO persons in the MUSTER who had arrived
> with Lord De La Warr.
>
> >It brought up a reference to Survey Report 00019, which describes a
> document
> >at the British Museum (now British Library), identified as Harleian
> >Manuscripts 7009, and entitled "Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in . . .
> >1610." The Survey Report says that this is Lord De La Warr's report of his
> >arrival in Virginia, dated 7 July 1610. It goes on to say that "The
> >Catalogue lists the ms thus: 12. Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in the
> >West Indies in Three Ships, viz. the De La War Admiral, the Blissing of
> >Plymouth Vice Admiral, & the Hercules of Rye Rear Admiral, July 7, 1610."
>
> >That document is reproduced on microfilm reel 543 of the Virginia Colonial
> >Records Project, and the microfilm can be obtained on interlibrary loan at
> >your local public library from either the Library of Virginia or the
> >University of Virginia Library. Be sure to give the reel number.
>
> Netti
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:07:29 -0500
> From: Peter Bergstrom <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1610
>
> Netti and company:
>
> Two points to note here:
>
> 1) You may be having trouble finding the Hillier document because it is not
> a Colonial WIlliamsburg Research Report -- this is Susan Hillier's 1970 MA
> thesis from the COllege of WIlliam and Mary: "Shipping Between England and
> Virgina: 1606-1630"
>
> 2) Ms Egloff's reference to Brown, _Genisis_ 1:402-403 is in fact Brown's
> transcription of the manuscript John Kneebone is describing from the VCRP.
> I might also note that as wonderful as Brown's work was for it's time, his
> mastery of 17th century English handwriting wasn't too good, and as a result
> his transcriptions aren't always the most accurate. Years ago I acquired my
> own copy of Brown and I use it often, but I wouldn't quote the documents
> found there until I had double checked them against the original, or at
> least a more modern transcription.
>
> Oh yes, one more note: If you spend any time poking around in Kingsbury's
> _Records of the VIrginia Company_, you'll find lots of reerences to ships --
> even the early ones you are saeeking -- but few if any passanger lists. A
> bummer to be sure, but the reality of the evidence I'm afraid.
>
> I hope all of this helps locate some evidence that might help you in your
> seqrches.
>
> Best regards to all,
>
> Peter V. Bergstrom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 10/16/01 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1610
>
> John T. Kneebone --
>
> Thanks for the reference. It is precisely what I needed! It is also
> interesting to see that there were NO persons in the MUSTER who had
> arrived
> with Lord De La Warr.
>
> >It brought up a reference to Survey Report 00019, which describes a
> document
> >at the British Museum (now British Library), identified as Harleian
> >Manuscripts 7009, and entitled "Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in . .
> .
> >1610." The Survey Report says that this is Lord De La Warr's report of
> his
> >arrival in Virginia, dated 7 July 1610. It goes on to say that "The
> >Catalogue lists the ms thus: 12. Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in
> the
> >West Indies in Three Ships, viz. the De La War Admiral, the Blissing of
> >Plymouth Vice Admiral, & the Hercules of Rye Rear Admiral, July 7,
> 1610."
>
> >That document is reproduced on microfilm reel 543 of the Virginia
> Colonial
> >Records Project, and the microfilm can be obtained on interlibrary loan
> at
> >your local public library from either the Library of Virginia or the
> >University of Virginia Library. Be sure to give the reel number.
>
> Netti
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:30:24 -0400
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1610
>
> Mr. Kneebone,
>
> Sorry, I sent the last message unintentionally. I couldn't remember that
> the ships Blessing and Hercules were among the ships mentioned in the
> MUSTER, but thought I'd better check to see before sending the message. Was
> trying to switch to my database to make sure and the message flew away.
>
> I'm sorry it did as I found that my memory wasn't very good! Indeed there
> were people who came on those ships. Or at least, they may have. In case
> anyone is on this list is interested, I'll mention them:
>
> Mrs. Jane Pierce, wife of Capt. Wm. Pierce, came on the Blessinge [no date
> given]
> Robert Partin said he came over in the Blessinge in June 1609 [maybe it
> was 1610?]
>
> Walter Scott arrived on the Hercules in 1618 ["8" and "0" could have been
> indistinquishable]
> Booth Reynolds arrived on the Hercules in 1609 [maybe 1610?]
> Mr. William Julian " " " "
> John Chaundler " " " "
> Michael Batt " " [no date given]
> [Since three people said they arrived on he Hercules in 1609, it would
> seem that it made the voyage in both 1609 and 1610. Perhaps Ms. Hillier's
> work will clarify that.]
>
> There was no mention of a ship named "Admiral" by any of the colonists in
> the MUSTER, however.
>
> Netti
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:25:18 -0400
> From: Vickie Elam White <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Ships 1609 -- Sea Venture/Patience/Deliverance/Hopkins
>
> Janet,
>
> >Separately from my Virginia crew, my small group of New England ancestor=
> s
> (later Quakers PA>NC) includes STEPH&EN HOPKINS who was on the Mayflower
> and
> is believed to be the Stephen Hopkins who earlier was Governor Thomas
> Gates'
> nemesis when their Ship the Sea Venture, bound for Jamestown in 1609 was
> ship-wrecked in Bermuda. -- events at which location are thought to be th=
> e
> inspiration for Shakespeare's "The Tempest", with Hopkins as Stephano. T=
> he
> written source for which inspiration is thought to be William Strachney's=
>
> account. See representative online comment drawing parallels between the=
>
> Sea
> Venture, the "tyranny of Gates" and the experience of the early Plymouth
> settlers -- specifically the Mayflower Compact, here --
> http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history/allen/bilingtn.htm<
>
> You probably already saw this, but I just wanted to tell you that the Jul=
> y
> 1998
> issue of "The American Genealogist" (TAG) contains an article entitled
> "The True Origin of Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower With Evidence of His=
>
> Earlier Presence in Virginia" by Caleb Johnson. =
>
> If you don't have access to this, I would be happy to send you a copy.
>
> Vickie Elam White
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:15:40 -0500
> From: malinda <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: SHIPS TO JAMESTOWN 1610
>
> Hello John,
>
> How did you do your "ship name" search ? I went to the site and couldn't
> find a suitable portal. I would like to do a "ship name" search on "The Concord
> of Virginia", which at one time was owned by Francis Wright.
>
> Thank you.......~malinda jones
>
> John Kneebone wrote:
>
> > I did a "ship name" search, using "Hercules," in the Virginia Colonial
> > Records Project Database, which is part of the Digital Library Program at
> > the Library of Virginia Web site (URL below).
> >
> > It brought up a reference to Survey Report 00019, which describes a document
> > at the British Museum (now British Library), identified as Harleian
> > Manuscripts 7009, and entitled "Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in . . .
> > 1610." The Survey Report says that this is Lord De La Warr's report of his
> > arrival in Virginia, dated 7 July 1610. It goes on to say that "The
> > Catalogue lists the ms thus: 12. Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in the
> > West Indies in Three Ships, viz. the De La War Admiral, the Blissing of
> > Plymouth Vice Admiral, & the Hercules of Rye Rear Admiral, July 7, 1610."
> >
> > That document is reproduced on microfilm reel 543 of the Virginia Colonial
> > Records Project, and the microfilm can be obtained on interlibrary loan at
> > your local public library from either the Library of Virginia or the
> > University of Virginia Library. Be sure to give the reel number.
> >
> > I would not be surprised if that document is one of the transcriptions in Ed
> > Haile's very large collection of first-hand Virginia narratives. I know that
> > he did extensive research in the Virginia Colonial Records Project materials
> > for his book.
> >
> > John
> >
> > John T. Kneebone [log in to unmask]
> > Director, Publications and Educational Services
> > Library of Virginia http://www.lva.lib.va.us
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:16:16 -0400
> From: Netti Schreiner-Yantis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Jamestown Ships and Piersleys Hundred???
>
> Hi Janet,
>
> Nice to have you for a neighbor.
>
> Thank you very much for directing me to the censuses. I looked at them
> briefly and decided to wait until I could go over them more
> thoroughly--which I will do as soon as I sent this off to you.
>
> I wanted to see if I could answer your question about Piersey's Hundred. I
> am interested in Nicholas Bailey who was listed there, so had a personal
> reason to establish the location. I have spent some time in Cava
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