Jane & Anita,

You talk without addressing my point: -- that is African-American 
ancestors/predecessors were maimed, killed and the remainder captured
(- enslaved -) by native African slave-traders, then marched unmercifully 
(many dying on the way) to African ports to be sold as slaves to 
ships-captains from many countries servicing the eastern and western 
hemispheres.  Understand these poor people were enslaved _by Africans_ to 
sell for profit before they ever arrived in a port to board ship for leaving 
the continent -- and this went on for centuries.  Please don't so easily 
point your fingers only at white slave-traders of limited times, but rather 
consider *all* terrible slave-trading practices of a millenium or more.

Please consider my following original source in detail as well, not just 
your church-social discussions:

http://www.slaverysite.com/Body/maps.htm

Neil McDonald

From: "Jane Steele" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa


> Anita: How right you are. Something like this turned up in a after supper 
> discussion at a local church that works closely with my dad's church.  His 
> sister came home disgusted with the lack of knowledge that people in this 
> particular group had about Africa and how advanced it is today.  And some 
> of these people were well traveled and educated.  She lived in Harlem,NYC 
> for over fifty years,was active in all types of community service 
> organizations and knew many people from Africa and the West Indies.  Her 
> husband who is now dead was from Jamaica and always said this about a 
> "certain group of people" that  "You have to teach them every thing. 
> "They think that they are so smart but they are quite ignorant".  Jane.
>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa


> Anne, I don't understand why you speak with such an admonishing and 
> argumentative tone.  I actually agree with much of what you say: "It is 
> 'not' my intent to belittle subsequent evils within countries where slaves 
> were taken (nor to challenge historians' choice of research matters, 
> added), with the vastly greater (enslavement) numbers being to other than 
> British colonial America and its subsequent United States where slavery 
> finally was ended with great loss of military lives."  My point from the 
> beginning is simply that the magnitude of African enslavement of Africans 
> was orders of magnitude greater (number of enslaved and sold) than what 
> occurred in the British colonies of America -- and that African 
> atrocities, if not genocide of their own people, included horrendous evils 
> far beyond that of British colonial America.  Freedom for all men, even 
> all living creatures, is such a self-evident need and right since the 
> beginning of time, not something new in 1776, and one does not need to be 
> Christian or even religious to make such a declaration.  Mankind 
> throughout the ages and the world (that includes Africa for my point) has 
> certainly fallen short of their ideals but hopefully is improving, and may 
> continue without bitterness toward each other for the shortcomings of our 
> ancestors and predecessors in our racial lineages.
>
> Neil McDonald
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>>
>> Neil,
>>
>> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting the 
>> name of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct, 
>> inasmuch as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
>>
>> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans before 
>> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and make 
>> your case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who 
>> were complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be 
>> challenged. The CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the 
>> Declaration of Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an 
>> attempt at true freedom for man, and then a decade later turned their 
>> backs on those brought here as slaves.
>>
>> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own 
>> freedom and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers?
>>
>> Anne
> 

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