Anne, re-screw your head on. Annette Gordon-Reed should be a fairy tale
writer or one who specializes in white lies, or worse, deliberate lies about
the person in his time that did more to end slavery and establish democracy
in the United States than any one else. Stop ignoring verified historical
documents published by experts in genealogy and history. Stop ignoring his
brother Randolph who even TJ said was at times not incompetent to handle his
own affairs, who lived 20 miles away, who socialized with Thomas Jefferson's
slaves, and who was widowed about the time Sally began having babies, and
remarried around the time Sally stopped having babies; and Randolph's 4 sons
who also visited and lived at Monticello and were of child bearing age when
Sally had her babies. TJ's brilliance, accomplishments and principles, and
attractiveness don't seem to impress upon you that it just might be likely
if he wanted a lady's company he would not chose Sally; and that he could
have his pick of many other attractive and accomplished ladies and women.
The way he lived his life at home, when he was at Monticello, with his
daughter, her husband who managed Monticello, whose rooms were within seeing
and hearing distance of TJ's; and their 12 children; and rules that slaves
were not to be in his quarters when he was present indicates his tastes and
rules of behavior did not lend to your or Annette's made up tales. Does the
fact that Sally didn't have her first baby for 13 years after TJ's wife died
mean anything to you? Probably not, because you believe in one fairy tale
imaginary non existent baby, or one whose father was not TJ, born in France.
Let's make up things about you Anne and publish them. I don't know who you
are but I think even you possibly would not like that. I think Thomas
Jefferson's flaws in character are principally your made up flaws. No thanks
Anne. Pardon me if I wish you would keep those to yourself.
Miss Adrian Zolkover
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
> Herbert,
>
> I am quite accustomed to your nasty replies anytime anyone praises those
> who disagree with you. Why you cannot just agree to disagree is beyond me.
>
> The fact that you can find NO proof that TJ fathered the children in
> question does not establish for a fact that he did not. It just means it
> has not been proven to your satisfaction. And, I feel quite certain that
> if you were faced with DNA evidence that Madison Hemings was fathered by a
> Jefferson male, you would go out of your way to argue it wasn't Tom.
>
> The fact that TJ is a Founding Father does NOT establish his sainthood.
> All of the Founding Fathers had flaws in character. Ben Franklin is
> probably my personal favorite Founding Father, and yet he publically
> admitted he father a child - a son that he raised to commit the same faux
> paus as his father, so that in his old age, Ben was raising that same
> grandson born out of wedlock. Ben was willing to admit his "mistakes" and
> did his best to make them right. TJ seemed, too often, to hide his
> mistakes from public scrutiny. What "honorable man" uses a writer to
> slander a friend, and then cries wolf when the same writer peeks into his
> own affairs?
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herbert Barger" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>
>
>> Yes, and it is in many publications but this doesn't change the fact
>> that it is NOT true, but much of the media is involved in this agenda. I
>> tell the readers that this book and other similar recent books is part
>> of an agenda and there is NO proof that TJ fathered any slave child.
>> Please consult: www.tjheritage.org for a full Scholars Commission Report
>> (13 top scholars), who found NO proof of this liaison, SO may we not ask
>> the author........what is your agenda and who is behind it.......not
>> that I don't know the answer and have for several years. That is why I
>> founded the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society.....to counter the biased
>> research performed at Monticello and provide truthful and accurate
>> research to the public. We can use financial support at the above web
>> page address to continue our research.
>>
>> Herbert Barger
>> Jefferson Family Historian
>> Asst. to Dr Foster on the DNA Study
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melinda Skinner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:56 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>>
>> There's also an interesting article on the book in the New Yorker:
>> http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=8220 The Hemingses of
>> Monticello: An American Family 8221 (Norton 36 35)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Melinda C. P. Skinner
>> Richmond, VA
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Jon Kukla <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Posted at History News Network, Monday, September 22, 2008 Annette
>>> Gordon-Reed : Edmund Morgan calls her one of the best historians of
>> her
>>> generation <http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/54782.html>
>>>
>>> Source: *Marie Morgan and Edmund S. Morgan in the New York Review of
>> Books
>>> in the course of a review of Annette Gordon-Reed's new book, The
>> Hemingses
>>> of
>>>
>> Monticello*<http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21855?utm_medium=email&utm_s
>> ource=Ca
>>>
>> mpaign+Monitor&utm_content=91964597&utm_campaign=Joseph+Lelyveld+on+John
>> +%26+Sar
>>>
>> ah%2c+Michael+Chabon+on+Obama&utm_term=Jefferson%26%238217%3bs+Concubine
>>>(10-9-0
>>> 8)
>>>
>>> The Hemingses of Monticello is a brilliant book. It marks the author
>> as one
>>> of the most astute, insightful, and forthright historians of this
>>> generation. Not least of Annette Gordon-Reed's achievements is her
>> ability
>>> to bring fresh perspectives to the life of a man whose personality and
>>> character have been scrutinized, explained, and justified by a host of
>>> historians and biographers. They have struggled to illuminate, and
>> sometimes
>>> to gloss over, the dark places in his life. Like many upright public
>> figures
>>> who know they are pure and their enemies vile, he was capable of
>> deviousness
>>> and treachery. He instigated the savage attacks by the anti-Federalist
>>> National Gazette editor Philip Freneau on John Adams, once his fast
>> friend,
>>> and was flummoxed rather than ashamed at being caught out paying
>> Freneau to
>>> be his mouthpiece. Such actions gave rise in Jefferson biographies to
>>> characterizations like "enigma" and "sphinx."
>>>
>>> The full review is at http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21855?email
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jon Kukla
>>> www.JonKukla.com
>>>
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