No, the Freedmen that are not Cherokee by Blood do not belong in the
Cherokee Nation...so why should they be able to do something that the
rest of us can't....:)

I don't know who sent the email or what it was referring to...as a
Cherokee I am certainly not racist, since my Indian heritage has never
gotten me anywhere in the white world and more often than not, was a
hindrance in school...I was always on Indian time and the schools were
always on wall time...

However, I am Cherokee by Blood...so why would anyone want to belong
to a group when they themselves were not Cherokee by Blood...do they
believe they are going to get some benefits from that?

I would answer that question yes, in light of the fact that they have
filed in the Federal Court of Claims for the right to build their own
casino...and land allotments that their ancestors already got...I
didn't get any land when I became a citizen of the tribe...why should
they have privileges above mine...in fact most folks living outside
the 14 counties of Nation never receive any benefits from the Cherokee
Nation...and surprising some of the same folks that believe those who
are Cherokee Citizens should not be able to vote unless you do so in
the Nation are supporting the Freedmen's cause...I don't know...there
are some folks back there that fight everything and anything the
Cherokee Nation does!!

By *vote in the Nation* I mean, if you live in FL, you would have to
fly each election to OK to place your vote...

So again, one needs to write their congressman, the Feds have always
called the shots anyway....:)

Charlotte



On 3/3/07, Sunshine49 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> How about rising above one's circumstances, choosing the high ground,
> and trying to end the discrimination in general? Learn from the past
> how to improve the human race [and your own], not one-up the last
> wrongs that were done to you. That's how we stay in this continuous
> [global] spiral of tit for tat, you hit me I'll hit you back harder.
> Life is hard; your choice how you respond to it. Constructively, or
> not. Personally, despite the talk of laws and rolls, I did not care
> for the implied or overt racism of this Cherokee vote. And I read
> other things today that do suggest a racial component to it, no
> matter what legal buzzwords they are trying to hide behind. A
> blatantly racist email that was sent around, warning to "not let the
> Freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR
> CHILDREN, FOR OUR DAUGHTERS." [their caps] Sorry, but this has
> nothing to do with rolls and laws, it is racist fear-mongering, with
> a large dollop of the old dread of black men raping wives and
> daughters. Granted, the writer may be part of some fringe movement,
> but it was reflective of at least a strain of thought there. Yes,
> you'd think people would learn, but it seems not to be so. 'We had
> the Trail of Tears because we were different; let's get these
> freedmen out of our group, because they are different.' Or those
> natives in CA. that were posted about here. Tribalism just seems to
> be part of the human condition. 'We live on this side of the
> mountain, we hate the people who live on the other side of the
> mountain.' I've always felt that you can be as good a person as you
> make yourself be, or as bad a person as you let yourself be. The
> slippery slope is always the easiest way. But the world is an
> increasingly crowded place, with ever more terrible weapons; we have
> to get over this mindset that was ok when we were living in the Stone
> Age. It's far too dangerous a way to live today. We have to learn
> from the past, not keep repeating it.
>
> my 2 cents
>
> Nancy
>
> -------
> I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
>
> --Daniel Boone
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Clara Callahan wrote:
>
> > What it demonstrates is that "minorities" care no more about other
> > "minorities" than the "majority" does.  Having been "discriminated"
> > against, themselves, does not prevent them from "discriminating"
> > against others. This is not to say that what the Cherokee are doing
> > is wrong.  They are not "discriminating."  They are defining and
> > enforcing requirements, not excluding because of "color."  We just
> > finished a couple of weeks of conversation about what those whites
> > did to those poor Indians and what those whites did to those poor
> > blacks.  Now the conversation has turned to what those Indians are
> > doing to those poor whites and blacks.  So far on this board no one
> > is championing either "minority" which, considering the past two
> > weeks' conversation, I find quite interesting.  What does one do
> > when one "minority" goes up against another "minority"?  Who you
> > gonna root for, the descendents of slaves, the descendents of
> > whites who married Indians, or the descendents of Indians?
> >  This oughtta be good.
> >
> >
> >
> > Basil Forest <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >   The Cherokee having suffered the slings and arrows (no pun
> > intended) of
> > racism, and the exclusion from the rights of the majority, I would
> > think there
> > would be some community of interest and sensitivity in this regard
> > on their
> > part.
> >
> >
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