You will find only informational history and genealogy on my web pages,
mostly the DNA Study.
Herb
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Gilmore
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:38 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Marketing & .org
Anne and Henry, you are both correct. My comment regarding commercial pages
was stupid and made without either thought or real purpose. Consider my
keyboard-fingers properly slapped with a ruler.
--Tom
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Read my last post. The "commercial" page, is the only one on the site of
> nearly one thousand pages and growing. I have NEVER posted a link to that
> page - but I have posted links to the opening page of the site, which
> contains a link to that page. Some of you are making a moutain out of a
> molehill.
>
> How about Herbert and his constantly pressing anyone and everyone to read
> his "minority report" ad nauseum? He, too, is constantly pushing his web
> site which may or may not contain commercial links.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gilmore" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Marketing & .org
>
>
>
> Anne,
>>
>> I don't think anyone questions what you do on your own website, but
rather
>> the fact that you advertise links to your commercial pages on this list.
>> It's a bit like a person wearing a sign-board in a non-commercial area.
>>
>> --Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Brent,
>>>
>>> My take on Herbert's question was to presume that he was just trying to
>>> find a means to diminish my contributions to the list because he had run
>>> out
>>> of arguments to offset mine. It was someone on the list who questioned
>>> the
>>> presence of my book promotion on MY website, and Herbert jumped on it as
>>> a
>>> point to discredit my work without having looked at it himself. One of
>>> those
>>> in the discussion, wrote me offlist, and when I said perhaps I should
>>> tone
>>> down the "advertisement" value of that page, said not to change anything
>>> on
>>> my website, that it was, as the google stats bear out, and important and
>>> valuable site for K-12. It is not a site purely for history, but
>>> emcompasses
>>> all K-12 subjects. The matter of whether or not I should "promote" my
>>> book
>>> on my web site and whether or not it constitutes "marketing" on an "org"
>>> site or not, is more a matter between myself and the owner of the site,
>>> than
>>> an issue to be bandied about on Va. History list. I did not bring it up,
>>> because the book has no relevence to history. But, I did respond to
those
>>> who sought to diminish my efforts through this sidebar. They are
>>> commenting
>>> without having seen what I do, or having any understanding of how I make
>>> use
>>> of this list in growing the Virginia portion of the list.
>>>
>>> Herbert Barger is one who, I think, misuses the list to promote his
point
>>> of view and diminish all who disagree with him. That he chose to jump on
>>> the
>>> attack of my website is additional proof that his arguments cannot stand
>>> on
>>> their own merit. My assertion that continuing to paint those who see
>>> things
>>> differently are promoting an image of Jefferson as a pimp, was an effort
>>> to
>>> bring some of these people to an understanding of what they are really
>>> saying when they insist that anyone who disagrees with them is a LIAR. I
>>> am
>>> especially hurt to see such old time list members such as Jon Kukla and
>>> Henry Weincek painted with this broad brush of "lying", when they are
>>> good
>>> historians and good writers who bring to light the less-well-known
points
>>> of
>>> view in the discussions.
>>>
>>> Unlike some who have painted Jon Kukla with a broad brush, I have read,
>>> re-read, and thoroughly enjoyed his book on Jefferson's Women. Yesterday
>>> I
>>> started Henry Weincek's book on Washington "An Imperfect God". I can see
>>> where those who want to put our Founding Fathers (or at least those
>>> fromVirginia), on a high pedestal would be upset by such works, but as
>>> one
>>> who like a good story, I enjoy reading about the basic humanity of these
>>> people. It does not in any way tarnish what they accomplished for this
>>> country.
>>>
>>> Some time back, there was a heated discussion on Abraham Lincoln, on
>>> which
>>> many on this list, trashed one of the greatest presidents of all time.
>>> Somehow, the ideals of not "tarnishing the image" of people like
>>> Jefferson
>>> and Washington, is right and good, but tarring and feathering Lincoln is
>>> quite acceptable. This is a double standard that offends my
>>> sensibilities.
>>>
>>> Well, enough for now. I will try to ignore the coming rages from the
list
>>> for awhile and cool my heels. I will, again, point out, that I think
your
>>> criticism of Anita Wills is without basis. I may deserve your censure,
>>> but
>>> she doesn't. I will remind that someone else responded to my comments on
>>> the
>>> value of oral history by sharing a link to George Mason University's
site
>>> that is chock full of oral history mixed in with the standard stuff.
This
>>> is an area of history that interests me far more than regurgitating the
>>> same
>>> old same old.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tarter, Brent (LVA)" <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Marketing & .org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not entirely understand the question.
>>>
>>> Va-Hist and Va-Roots are open forums for the discussion of topics
>>> related to research and writing about Virginia history and culture,
>>> including family history. That said, we have discouraged commercial
>>> promotion in order to keep the lists free of marketing notices that
>>> would inevitably overwhelm or detract from dicussions of the topis for
>>> which we created and maintain the lists.
>>>
>>> Please do not advertize or promote your own or any other person's
>>> merchandize on these sites. If, as often happens in lerned discussions,
>>> people have legitimate occasions to refer to their own scholarship,
>>> that's quite a different matter.
>>>
>>> What other people permit or do not permit on their lists and what may be
>>> or may not be permissible in other domains that the state of Virginia's
>>> virginia.gov sites is none of my or our business.
>>>
>>> Brent Tarter
>>> The Library of Virginia
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Please visit the Library of Virginia's Web site at
>>> http://www.lva.virginia.gov
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herbert Barger
>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:07 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Marketing & .org
>>>
>>> Mr. Brent Tarter,
>>>
>>> Possibly you may clarify this argument that Tom brings out. I earlier
>>> had noticed the same thing. Is it true that advertising can be carried
>>> on a taxpayer free VA. Library page dedicated to genealogy and history?
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Barger
>>>
>>>
>>> High horse or not, you are offering a book for sale on a site which you
>>> say carries no marketing. The URL I provided is on the
>>> educationalsynthesis.org website. It promotes the book, it gives the
>>> price of the book, it gives discount instructions, and it gives guidance
>>> on where to purchase. Marketing is the commercial processes involved in
>>> promoting and selling and distributing a product or service. I would say
>>> the page fit nicely into the marketing definition.
>>>
>>> I have been unable to find anywhere, that it is written, that an .org
>>> website "CANNOT carry any marketing." Would you provide your source for
>>> this information?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> South Central Virginia & More
>>> http://socenva.com
>>>
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