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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:20:04 -0400
From: "Levy, Suzanne S." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
ONe of my volunteers owns a family Civil War Diary and 80 letters from
the diarist to his wife. Her question is in transcribing how do you deal
with punctuation, spelling errors, grammar, etc.? His vocabulary, but
his spelling and grammar are atrocious. He has also made rare derogatory
remarks about companions and superiors and she has been advised against
including full text of those remarks.
=20
She has checked Turabian and Chicago Manual of Style for ideas but they
weren't helpful. A google search has also not been very productive.
=20
Can anyone recommend any guidelines or offer suggestions on how best to
approach this. She is leaning toward transcribing them as written but
wants to make them understandable.
=20
Any information and ideas would be most welcome. I thank you.
=20
Suzanne S. Levy, Virginia Room Librarian
Fairfax City Regional Library
3915 Chain Bridge Road
Fairfax VA 22030
703-293-6383
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:25:32 -0400
From: "Richardson, Darlene" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
She should use _Editing Historical Documents: A Handbook of Practice_ by
Michael E. Stevens and Steven B. Burg, published by AASLH in 1997. It's
one of the primary source books still used at the NHPRC's Historical
Editing Institute.
Darlene Richardson, Historian
VHA History Office
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
Veterans Health Administration (10C3)
810 Vermont Avenue, N.W.=20
Washington, D.C. 20420
Phone: (202) 273-8923
Fax: (202) 273-9041
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Harry Truman
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Levy, Suzanne S.
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
ONe of my volunteers owns a family Civil War Diary and 80 letters from
the diarist to his wife. Her question is in transcribing how do you deal
with punctuation, spelling errors, grammar, etc.? His vocabulary, but
his spelling and grammar are atrocious. He has also made rare derogatory
remarks about companions and superiors and she has been advised against
including full text of those remarks.
=20
She has checked Turabian and Chicago Manual of Style for ideas but they
weren't helpful. A google search has also not been very productive.
=20
Can anyone recommend any guidelines or offer suggestions on how best to
approach this. She is leaning toward transcribing them as written but
wants to make them understandable.
=20
Any information and ideas would be most welcome. I thank you.
=20
Suzanne S. Levy, Virginia Room Librarian Fairfax City Regional Library
3915 Chain Bridge Road
Fairfax VA 22030
703-293-6383
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:28:15 -0400
From: Sara Bearss <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
The standard source on transcribing and editing historical documents is
Mary-Jo Kline's A Guide to Documentary Editing, 2d edition (Baltimore:
Johns Hopkins University Press, 1998). Recent issues of the Association
for Documentary Editors' magazine, Documentary Editing, may also prove
useful in answering specific questions.
Sara
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The Library of Virginia
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:33:56 -0400
From: "Ervin L. Jordan Jr." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
Suggest she donate or loan collection to a good local
archives/museum/library with Civil War holdings and thus
allow experienced professionals to do this task, or she
could hire a professional archivist/historian.
Prof. Ervin L. Jordan Jr.
Research Archivist & University of Virginia Records Manager
Civil War historian
--On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:20 PM -0400 "Levy, Suzanne
S." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> ONe of my volunteers owns a family Civil War Diary and 80
> letters from the diarist to his wife. Her question is in
> transcribing how do you deal with punctuation, spelling
> errors, grammar, etc.? His vocabulary, but his spelling
> and grammar are atrocious. He has also made rare
> derogatory remarks about companions and superiors and she
> has been advised against including full text of those
> remarks.
>
> She has checked Turabian and Chicago Manual of Style for
> ideas but they weren't helpful. A google search has also
> not been very productive.
> Can anyone recommend any guidelines or offer suggestions
> on how best to approach this. She is leaning toward
> transcribing them as written but wants to make them
> understandable.
>
> Any information and ideas would be most welcome. I thank
> you.
> Suzanne S. Levy, Virginia Room Librarian
> Fairfax City Regional Library
> 3915 Chain Bridge Road
> Fairfax VA 22030
> 703-293-6383
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
>
> [log in to unmask]
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:45:03 -0400
From: Brent Tarter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
Owners of original letters and diaries should at some time consider
donating them to a research library where they can be permanently
preserved, or at least allowing archival-quality copies to be made for
future research use.
The question of transcription policy depends on what the owner wishes to
do with the transcription. It is difficult these days to justify any
policy other than verbatim et literatim if publication is the objective.
Editors and owners of documents are not responsible for what authors of
documents wrote, and nobody should take offense. If the writer's
orthography, spelling, grammar, or usage require explanations to assit
readers, those can easily be supplied in editorial notes.
I recommend consulting the second edition of Mary-Jo Kline's Guide to
Documentary Editing (1998) and Michael Stevens and Steven Burg's Editing
Historical Documents: A Handbook of Practice, published about the same
time. There are experienced documentary editors around who would
doubtless be willing to offer practical advice after consultation with
the owner and a view of the manuscript.
Brent Tarter
The Library of Virginia
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From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Levy, Suzanne S.
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
ONe of my volunteers owns a family Civil War Diary and 80 letters from
the diarist to his wife. Her question is in transcribing how do you deal
with punctuation, spelling errors, grammar, etc.? His vocabulary, but
his spelling and grammar are atrocious. He has also made rare derogatory
remarks about companions and superiors and she has been advised against
including full text of those remarks.
=20
She has checked Turabian and Chicago Manual of Style for ideas but they
weren't helpful. A google search has also not been very productive.
=20
Can anyone recommend any guidelines or offer suggestions on how best to
approach this. She is leaning toward transcribing them as written but
wants to make them understandable.
=20
Any information and ideas would be most welcome. I thank you.
=20
Suzanne S. Levy, Virginia Room Librarian Fairfax City Regional Library
3915 Chain Bridge Road
Fairfax VA 22030
703-293-6383
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
=20
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:51:41 -0400
From: Jon Kukla <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
I'll not repeat the good advice from others about editing . . . but in
light of the comment that the diarist "made rare derogatory remarks about
companions and superiors and she has been advised against including full
text of those remarks," I do want to emphasize the critical importance of
including everything and not Bowdlerizing the text.
Nothing will destroy more quickly the reader's or researcher's confidence
in the integrity of the transcription than a suspicion of censorship -
and with good reason, because nothing (except perhaps incompetent
transcribing) destroys the integrity of the transcription itself more
quickly than a latter-day censor altering the evidence.
In short, what is the point of transcribing dear old
great-grand-mom/dad's thoughts dishonestly? She/he deserves more respect
than that, and adult family members (not to mention scholars) want to
come as close as they can to the real flesh and blood person and her/his
genuine opinions.
Dr. Jon Kukla, Executive Vice-President
Red Hill - The Patrick Henry National Memorial
1250 Red Hill Road
Brookneal, Virginia 24528
www.redhill.org
Phone 434-376-2044 or 800-514-7463
Fax 434-376-2647
- M. Lynn Davis, Office Manager
- Karen Gorham, Associate Curator
- Edith Poindexter, Curator
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:00:02 -0400
From: "Richardson, Darlene" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
I agree with Dr. Kukla. When editing historical documents, let the PAST
speak--be true to the source. Once she reads the Stevens and other
reference books, she'll understand the importance of retaining the
document's integrity.
Darlene Richardson, Historian
VHA History Office
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
Veterans Health Administration (10C3)
810 Vermont Avenue, N.W.=20
Washington, D.C. 20420
Phone: (202) 273-8923
Fax: (202) 273-9041
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Harry Truman
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jon Kukla
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
I'll not repeat the good advice from others about editing . . . but in
light of the comment that the diarist "made rare derogatory remarks
about companions and superiors and she has been advised against
including full text of those remarks," I do want to emphasize the
critical importance of including everything and not Bowdlerizing the
text.
Nothing will destroy more quickly the reader's or researcher's
confidence in the integrity of the transcription than a suspicion of
censorship - and with good reason, because nothing (except perhaps
incompetent
transcribing) destroys the integrity of the transcription itself more
quickly than a latter-day censor altering the evidence.
In short, what is the point of transcribing dear old
great-grand-mom/dad's thoughts dishonestly? She/he deserves more respect
than that, and adult family members (not to mention scholars) want to
come as close as they can to the real flesh and blood person and her/his
genuine opinions.
Dr. Jon Kukla, Executive Vice-President
Red Hill - The Patrick Henry National Memorial 1250 Red Hill Road
Brookneal, Virginia 24528 www.redhill.org Phone 434-376-2044 or
800-514-7463
Fax 434-376-2647
- M. Lynn Davis, Office Manager
- Karen Gorham, Associate Curator
- Edith Poindexter, Curator
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:42:52 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
When co-editing recently a Civil War diary my collaborator and I encountered
various critical references to slaves and free blacks, Jews, women, Yankeees,
Abraham Lincoln, etc.
We could have left all such items out, thereby gutting this primary source.
There was some pressure about or resistance to including the most derogatory
references, but we held fast, and were able to get the entire
text--everything--published.
To do otherwise would have been a disservice to history, and to scholarship.
Michael Chesson
U/Mass-Boston
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:56:41 -0400
From: "Lonny J. Watro" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
Here's a layperson's view. Why do people keep a diary anyway? Do they
secretly hope that someone in the future will find it after they are long
gone. Maybe some do. They may do it for the same reason that I scribble down
(or should I say mostly type in) my family tree information - in the hopes
that someone in future generations will find my research and take it up
where I left off. And maybe that's why people kept diaries during times
like the Civil War. They realized something historical was happening around
them and they wanted to put down their own thoughts for future generations -
just as some are doing now during the Gulf War.
Transcribe it word for word. Your ancestor would want it that way. If they
didn't want someone to read it, they wouldn't have written it down. That's
my uneducated humble opinion.
:-)
Lonny J. Watro
amature historian
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:57:56 +0000
From: Melinda Skinner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
I certainly agree with Mr. Omohundro. I am not a historian but a writer who has
been dismayed to be saddled with the desire to clean up primary source material
for some kind of political correctness. What ever happened to truthful
reporting? We need to view history with all its warts and problems. Just my
very unofficial 2 cents.
-Melinda Skinner
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> When co-editing recently a Civil War diary my collaborator and I encountered
> various critical references to slaves and free blacks, Jews, women, Yankeees,
> Abraham Lincoln, etc.
>
> We could have left all such items out, thereby gutting this primary source.
>
> There was some pressure about or resistance to including the most derogatory
> references, but we held fast, and were able to get the entire
> text--everything--published.
>
> To do otherwise would have been a disservice to history, and to scholarship.
>
> Michael Chesson
> U/Mass-Boston
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:20:20 -0400
From: Sally Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
I have an eight-page letter from a family member setting forth the family
history. The letter is a clear demonstration of racism and elitism. But it
is a true picture of the time when it was written and it shows history just
in its attitudes. In addition, the personality of the author comes through
in these asides. It would ruin the letter to edit it to make it politically
correct. I am using it unedited, in order to show future generations what
the times were like. That is the whole point. --Sally Phillips
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Transcribing Civil War Diaries
>I certainly agree with Mr. Omohundro. I am not a historian but a writer
>who has been dismayed to be saddled with the desire to clean up primary
>source material for some kind of political correctness. What ever happened
>to truthful reporting? We need to view history with all its warts and
>problems. Just my very unofficial 2 cents.
> -Melinda Skinner
>
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: [log in to unmask]
>> When co-editing recently a Civil War diary my collaborator and I
>> encountered
>> various critical references to slaves and free blacks, Jews, women,
>> Yankeees,
>> Abraham Lincoln, etc.
>>
>> We could have left all such items out, thereby gutting this primary
>> source.
>>
>> There was some pressure about or resistance to including the most
>> derogatory
>> references, but we held fast, and were able to get the entire
>> text--everything--published.
>>
>> To do otherwise would have been a disservice to history, and to
>> scholarship.
>>
>> Michael Chesson
>> U/Mass-Boston
>>
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:47:58 -0400
From: "Stephan A. Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
It is an appalling thought to even consider editing primary
documentation. We are historians, not novelists. The selective
editing of secondary, and tertiary material, is a sad reality that
seems to be increasing, as our culture becomes more ideological. It
seems to be a function of late imperial societies, if the late 19th
century British are a predictor. And with the rise of electronic
documentation, and its replacement of paper resource materials all
these issues will only be exacerbated. A strong cultural consensus
within the community of scholars who care about the accurate
representation of the past, in its fullest possible complexity, to my
mind, is the only bulwark to bowdlerization, and other socially
temporal correctednesses.
-- Stephan
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On 24 Oct 2006, at 18:20, Sally Phillips wrote:
> I have an eight-page letter from a family member setting forth the
> family
> history. The letter is a clear demonstration of racism and
> elitism. But it
> is a true picture of the time when it was written and it shows
> history just
> in its attitudes. In addition, the personality of the author comes
> through
> in these asides. It would ruin the letter to edit it to make it
> politically
> correct. I am using it unedited, in order to show future
> generations what
> the times were like. That is the whole point. --Sally Phillips
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melinda Skinner" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Transcribing Civil War Diaries
>
>
>> I certainly agree with Mr. Omohundro. I am not a historian but a
>> writer
>> who has been dismayed to be saddled with the desire to clean up
>> primary
>> source material for some kind of political correctness. What ever
>> happened
>> to truthful reporting? We need to view history with all its warts
>> and
>> problems. Just my very unofficial 2 cents.
>> -Melinda Skinner
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> When co-editing recently a Civil War diary my collaborator and I
>>> encountered
>>> various critical references to slaves and free blacks, Jews, women,
>>> Yankeees,
>>> Abraham Lincoln, etc.
>>>
>>> We could have left all such items out, thereby gutting this primary
>>> source.
>>>
>>> There was some pressure about or resistance to including the most
>>> derogatory
>>> references, but we held fast, and were able to get the entire
>>> text--everything--published.
>>>
>>> To do otherwise would have been a disservice to history, and to
>>> scholarship.
>>>
>>> Michael Chesson
>>> U/Mass-Boston
>>>
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:54:43 -0400
From: "Lonny J. Watro" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
Come to think of it, I have to admit myself, I have a bit of history for my
ancestor from the Baptist Historical Society - he was an early Virginia
Baptists minister. The article tells how he swore of alchohol one day. It
was as if he had an epiphany. The article tells how he ordered his servant
(a slave of course) to take away his sherry or something he was drinking and
he never had another as long as he lived. Of course he kept his slaves until
the day he died. The article doesn't tell this - his will does. I found this
quite ironic myself. But who am I to judge? I'm glad to have this bit of
history about him, though. Even if I do think his thinking was just "messed
up" LOL. And just think someone will read my thinking when they look at this
VA-HIST list generations from now. And maybe they will say, "Hey, that
Lonny - her thinking was just messed up". Now I think I might like that,
because maybe humanity will have made some progress.
Lonny
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From: "Sally Phillips" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Transcribing Civil War Diaries
>I have an eight-page letter from a family member setting forth the family
> history. The letter is a clear demonstration of racism and elitism. But
> it
> is a true picture of the time when it was written and it shows history
> just
> in its attitudes. In addition, the personality of the author comes
> through
> in these asides. It would ruin the letter to edit it to make it
> politically
> correct. I am using it unedited, in order to show future generations what
> the times were like. That is the whole point. --Sally Phillips
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melinda Skinner" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Transcribing Civil War Diaries
>
>
>>I certainly agree with Mr. Omohundro. I am not a historian but a writer
>>who has been dismayed to be saddled with the desire to clean up primary
>>source material for some kind of political correctness. What ever
>>happened
>>to truthful reporting? We need to view history with all its warts and
>>problems. Just my very unofficial 2 cents.
>> -Melinda Skinner
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> When co-editing recently a Civil War diary my collaborator and I
>>> encountered
>>> various critical references to slaves and free blacks, Jews, women,
>>> Yankeees,
>>> Abraham Lincoln, etc.
>>>
>>> We could have left all such items out, thereby gutting this primary
>>> source.
>>>
>>> There was some pressure about or resistance to including the most
>>> derogatory
>>> references, but we held fast, and were able to get the entire
>>> text--everything--published.
>>>
>>> To do otherwise would have been a disservice to history, and to
>>> scholarship.
>>>
>>> Michael Chesson
>>> U/Mass-Boston
>>>
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>>> instructions
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