You may recall that Henry VIII never consummated his marriage to Anne of
Cleves (the daughter of the German Emperor) because, as he reportedly told
Cromwell, she "smelled of the stable."
Intentional lack of personal hygiene was a common form of contraception in
England during medieval and later times. See, The Family, Sex and Marriage In
England 1500-1800, by Lawrence Stone (Harper 1979). It seems to have been
an effective tool vis-a-vis those of British heritage.
If slaves were worked to death, 16 hours a day, with barely time to rest at
night, and their quarters were as unsanitary and filthy as contemporary
reports claim, there is no doubt that your average black indentured servant was no
joy to be around. Nevertheless, Ms. Hemmings seemed to pop out babies from
among her "homies" in the slave population left and right, not apparently
knowing exactly who the fathers were in most cases.
A fit paramour for the middle-aged TJ.....I doubt it and there is no factual
evidence to definitively prove otherwise. Yet, apparently the Virginia
public school system sees fit to allow its youth to be taught about TJ's
parentage, probably in greater detail than what he really meant to the Commonwealth
and the US.
I am no huge fan of Jefferson. His figurative "wall of separation" letter,
penned 13 years after Congress wrote the Establishment Clause (something
Jefferson had absolutely nothing to do with drafting) was the basis for the
Supreme Court leading us down the road of banning school prayer and a myriad of
other Constitutionally bankrupt interpretations of the First Amendment. So, as
far as I am concerned, there might not have been a "wall of separation"
between Ms. Hemmings and he. However, without definitive factual proof, that
allegation should not be made as if "everyone who has any brains" knows it to
be true.
Frankly, even I am tiring of this line of debate.
JD Southmayd a/k/a J South
In a message dated 5/16/2008 11:56:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Spoken with smoke and mirrors. Thank you, Ms. Wills.
I have not defended Yojsouth or attacked you. Not even remotely. Had you
actually read my post, you would have seen that I asked questions. Questions
to which you did not then or now respond.
You accuse me of wasting good time and space. It is my time, not yours, and
I will spend it as I see fit. As for the space, after reading some of the
scathing posts directed to or about Yojsouth, I felt the questions I asked
just might put a somewhat different light on the matter. You were free to
agree, disagree, or refrain from any comment at all. But, as typical, you
choose to take my post, denigrate it, and strut the holier-than-thou card.
I recommend you read and follow your own words. Certainly if they apply to
you they apply equally to all. I quote:
"Unless and until I hear from the person that does monitor the board, I will
assume that my post are on target. Again, I have received nothing from the
ACTUAL monitors of the Virginia History List, so I will continue to post."
and another "By the way, you do not own the list, and you do not control the
information that flows on it." and another "Again, until the MODERATOR of
the list pulls me aside and ask me to refrain from posting, I will post what
I want. Now when a posting does not pertain to me I tend to pass it up, but
you do not have the same restrains. Are you bored, why don't you get a
hobby, such as Genealogy. After all you are right here at the site, why
don't you use it?" and another "I wouldn't believe you if your tongue came
notarized."
These are your words, Ms. Wills. I did not make them up, change them, or
comment on their worth.
By your own admission you do see and read things from Yojsouth. Otherwise
how do you account for the statement you made below, "...the only time I see
anything from yosouth, is when someone responds and attaches his (mostly
negative) post?" As for me, what on earth does the number of "posts you have
responded to over the last week, let alone anytime prior to that." have to
do with anything?
You are correct about one thing, but you didn't go far enough. Allow me.
This post AND your preceding post have nothing to do with the VA-HIST list.
Tom
Eastern Shore & More
http://easternshoremore.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Yojsouth
Yes, and here you are wasting good time and space defending him (or
attacking me). If you read my posts you would know that the only time I see
anything from yosouth, is when someone responds and attaches his (mostly
negative) post. I cannot tell you which posts you have responded to over
this last week, let alone anytime prior to that. So it is interesting to me
that you would make a statement like that about me. In fact I will not be
reading or responding to any of your postings, since this is a Virginia
History list, and you do not seem interested in History.
Anita
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:06:25 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Yojsouth
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> As I said, surmise what you will from the word "fear." From your three
> sentences, I wonder if you bothered to read my entire post?
>
> I do not believe the subject of Yojsouth's identity came up until Tom Ray
> presented it yesterday, the 15th. As we can all see, that question has
> been
> answered.
>
> You apparently believe Yojsouth is hateful and ignorant. That is your
> opinion and I do not have a problem with you having an opinion. If in fact
> he is hateful and ignorant, and I don't know that he is, I am glad it is
> out
> in the open. So many people hide behind veiled words and questionable
> intelligence to cover their hate and ignorance from the public. They are
> blind to their own shortcomings and, when confronted, refuse to
> acknowledge
> the possibility.
>
> On the other hand, you said "I do not read or respond to anything that he
> has written." Yet you seem to be in on every thread, complete with
> comments,
> on posts concerning him or what he has said. If you do not read what he
> has
> said, how can you comment at all about anything concerning him?
>
> Tom
> Eastern Shore & More
> http://easternshoremore.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Yojsouth
>
>
> I have not heard anyone say they fear Yojsouth. What people are saying is
> why does this person have to hide their true identity? I don't fear hate
> and
> ignorance, I pity it.
>
> Anita
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