Ordination Records for Anglican clergy in the colony of Virginia are in
London. You need to look at the records of the bishops of London, which are
found in the Fulham Palace Papers, Lambeth Palace Library, London.
If you can't afford to go to London, go instead to the Library of Virginia's
web site at http://www.lva.lib.va.us and click open the index tab in the
left side bar then click on the letter V and find Virginia Colonial Records
Project.
Do a Personal Name Search on the surname Saunders, and it will take you to
several entries, one of which is for the ordination records that you seek.
Survey Report 08039 describes volumes 24-26 of the ordination records and
gives the date of 28 June 1772 for the ordination of John Hyde Saunders.
These records are available as part of the microfilm of the Virginia
Colonial Records Project. According to my copy of the Key to Survey Reports,
these ordination records are on microfilm reel 864, which can be seen at or
borrowed on ILL from the Library of Virginia and also the library of the
University of Virginia (or see at the Virginia Historical Society and the
Colonial Williamsburg Foundation library).
For persons who have not had experience with the VCRP web site, please have
patience and work your way into it (and use imagination about spellings of
personal names--the people who wrote the records certainly did), and you
will eventually find many useful things. The VCRP survey reports that are on
the web site contain descriptions or abstracts of the records; you then go
to the microfilm to see the documents.
Brent Tarter
The Library of Virginia
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From: Janet Hunter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 19 October, 2001 1:51 PM
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Subject: ?Source 1770s -- Ordin. Episcopal - London
Fellow Colonial VA Researchers
I am looking for a source that might have a record of the dates (in
London),
etc. of ordinations of Ministers for the Church of England., ca 1770s
I have records of my 4 g grandf5ather, Rev. John Hyde Saunders' (later of
Southam Parish in Powhatan Co) approximate date of departure (from Norton
Papers at Williamsburg) , and of his return (from LVA digital records). I
also have records, courtesy of Wm & Mary College, of his expulsion from said
instituion in 1763. And I have his bio in "Part II – A List of the
Colonial Clergy in Virginia From 1607 to 1785. Compiled by the Reverend
Edward Lewis Goodwin, D.D"
In additon to his education, post Wm & Mary departure, I would dearly love
to find his equivalent of the following record sent to me from a fellow
researcher on the VA-Roots list -- "Thomas Martin was ordained a deacon in
the Church of England in the Chapel Royal, St. James's Palace, London,
England on June 14, 1767. Ordination to the priesthood followed on June 24,
1767."
I have searched through the Library of Congress catalog, local libraries and
come up empty.
I have inserted my vignettes below. Rev. Saunders Expulsion from Wm & Mary
(for which I always enjoy entertaining speculation on what he did, as he did
NOT go quickly when requested), the ref in Norton papers recommending on his
journey to London, record of return passage.
(FYI, John Hyde Saunders' daughter Elizabeth, married Lipscomb Wash. Their
daughter Caroline married Archibald Bolling Baugh. I have alot of Saunders
information.)
Many thanks.
Janet (Baugh) Hunter Alexandria VA
EXPULSION FROM WM & MARY (from Wm & Mary staff) -- What do you think he
did?
"May 10, 1763
At a Meeting of the President and Masters of William and Mary College
Present
The Revd Mr. William Yates President, Emmanuel Jones, William Small, Richard
Graham and Jas Horrocks
Whereas John Hyde Saunders has lately behaved himself in a very impudent &
unheard of Manner to the Master of the Grammar School and when call’d upon
by
the President & Masters to give his Reasons for the same, he not only
insolently behaved himself to them, but likewise absolutely refused to
comply
with the stated Rules of the College, unless agreeable with his own Opinion.
He was then, desir’d to leave College, but he absolutely refus’d to do it
unless he was regularly expelled. As this is a Piece of Behavior that ought
to be discouraged, and which deserves our severest Animadversion &
Punishment
We do hereby declare the said John Hyde Saunders to be publicly expell’d the
College, and strictly charge all the Young Gentlemen who belong to us as not
to entertain or associate with the said Saunders in the Limits of the
College
under Pain of a severe Punishment. And we likewise order the said Saunders
immediately to quite College or we shall be under the disagreeable Necessity
of having him punish’d by a Civil Magistrate.
William Yates Pres"
INFO ON TRIP TO LONDON (Williamsburg Papers)--
JOHN NORTON AND SONS PAPERS IN LIBRARY SPECIAL COLLECTIONS
COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG FOUNDATION 1990
29 June 1772 Letter. Williamsburg, Virginia, Robert Carter
Nicholas to John Norton, merchant in London.
Bearer, John Hyde Saunders, goes to England
for Holy Orders; advises of draft in his
favor; does not know him but he will be in
strange country and on commendable business so
asks usual civilities for him. 1p., 37x23cm.,
A.L.S.
MY INFO ON RETURN VOYAGE (LVA WEBSITE), Courtesy of another researcher on
this list -- "From notes on colonial Virginia ministers that John Hyde
Saunders received 20 pounds from the British Treasury towards the cost of
his
passage to Virginia on Oct. 16, 1772. This is from Treasury, General
Accounts, Quarterly, 31/284."
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