Neal,
I think if you re-read your post to Anita, you will find that you and she
are talking at cross purposes. Pointing out that there were Scotch-Irish
among the Revolutionaries does not establish that there were intermarriages
between the English and the Scotch-Irish. The difference in religions would
of course, be a major stumbling block in earlier times.
When you are checking your sources, you may want to check and see if those
marriages you say existed between scotch-irish and english occurred only in,
say, the lower class, but not the upper ones.
Anne
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----- Original Message -----
From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Mulatto +Scotch-Irish
> Anita, I must say I am surprised at your reaction. I was not looking for
> glamour in history, why do you even make such a statement -- I was simply
> offering a correction to your misleading statement that "...there were not
> a lot of English and Irish marriages in Colonial America." I also do not
> understand the harshness of your response. I pulled two history texts off
> the shelf because they were handy: Scotch-Irish by Leyburn and Albion's
> Seed by Fischer. Both speak of the common values and beliefs of the
> lowland Scots (who emigrated to Ulster Ireland) and Scots and English
> borderland people and how their subsequent settlement in common areas of
> Colonial America (including frontier VA and present WV) led to common
> intermarriages between Scotch-'Irish' and English settlers. While I would
> enjoy listing important Scotch-Irish contributers and leaders of the
> American Revolution and its further causes, responding to your incendiary
> and false commentary is not worth the bother as it seems likely at this
> point that you would only add more.
>
> Neil McDonald
>
> From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Mulatto +Scotch-Irish
>
>
> The Scotch English did not consider the Scotch Irish as their social
> equal. Marriages were not common between the two groups. Most English
> (Anglos) were Episcopalian, and the Scotch Irish were Presybeterians. The
> Scotch-Irish did the dirty work for the English, such as killing the
> Indians, and overseeing slaves. In Britain they were seen as a little
> higher on the Social scale then the Irish.
>
> History is not always glamorous.
>
> From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Mulatto +Scotch-Irish
>
>
>> Colonial American 'Irish' were mostly 'Scotch-Irish' emigrating Northern
>> Ireland during 1700-1775. For the most part they moved into the inland
>> areas of MD-PA and many thence to frontier areas of VA and further south
>> but
>> including a 'new' frontier of western PA by the mid-late 1700's -- along
>> with many English frontiersmen from the Scots-English borderland area and
>> other English origins. So English-'Irish' marriages were indeed fairly
>> common in frontier areas of Colonial America. Comparatively, there
>> weren't
>> many Irish immigrants in Eastern Seaboard areas in Colonial American
>> times,
>> these came later resulting from the potato famines.
>>
>> Neil McDonald
>
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