The fact is that SC chose not to await negotiations in a matter under
negotiations, and make the first strike. I do not feel that their hand was
forced, it was an act they chose willingly and eagerly. The action refutes
the words of Jeff
Davis.
Anne
At 01:44 AM 2/25/03 -0800, you wrote:
>But, the fact lost here is that the South did not rebel, but secceeded,
>and the north forced the first hand by attempting to resupply the fort in
>Charleston during discussions with the South and SC; this attempted
>resupply action was against agreements it [Lincoln] had made with SC.
>
>By the laws, and legal understandings of the time, seccission was legal.
>
>In the words of Jefferson Davis.."...all we want is to be left alone." Not
>exactly words of a 'rebel', who wishes to change or overthrow a
>government, neither of which the South aspired to do.
>
>M. Westbrook
>
>--- "Harold S. Forsythe" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > On the face of it, this is not really very convincing. I lived in Los
> > Angeles in
> > 1965 when the National Guard occupied the central parts of the
> > city, supplementing inadequate police power (The LA or Watts
> > "Riot", "Uprising," etc.) Now, these chiefly white soldiers were
> > from out of town. Would this then have been a justification to take
> > up arms against them?
> > This whole business of "invasion" and "home" requires a
> > prerequisite of political thinking: the South or Virginia as home,
> > rather than the United States. Thus, white Unionists in western
> > Virginia, eastern Tennessee, and the Ozark Plateau were being
> > "defended" by Confederate troops, whereas northern Virginia and
> > southern Louisiana were being "invaded" by troops from
> > Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin.
> > At the risk of contradiction, I assume that every rebelling regional
> > group in history imagined that they were fighting for their
> > independence from forces at least alien, if not downright tyrannical.
> > But such notions do not arise naturally or without effort, they are
> > cultivated and spread by a leadership group that expects, and
> > usually achieves leadership of the new nation.
> >
> > Date sent: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:59:14 -0800
> > From: Maitland Westbrook <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Gods and Generals
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Send reply to: Discussion of research and writing about
> > Virginia history
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> >
> > > Per Shelby Foote:
> > >
> > > Union Soldier coming upon wounded Confederate laying on the
> > battlefield:
> > > "Why are you fighting us?!?!?"
> > >
> > > Confederate's Reply: "Because you are here."
> > >
> > > M. Westbrook, III
> > >
> > >
> > > --- [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > > > How about the fact that their homes were being invaded, with all
> > that
> > > > that entails. People don't need much more motivation than that to
> > take
> > > > up arms, whether they owned slaves or not.
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