Thanks, Jon. I agree. What you present confirms where my speculation was
heading
in my note to Roger Mallen.
--Warren
In a message dated 11/9/2010 10:26:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Just reservation about timing - aren't the notable instances of persecution
of baptists, for example, ca 1773 ?
Within a two years though we see petitions from baptists and other
dissenters treated with sympathy by many in Va assembly, and after the war
starts, evangelical recruits were needed for the army etc......
Madison in 1780s of course recruited dissenters to support passage of the
statute for religious freedom -- Jefferson was in France, had written the
statute during 1776-9 revision of the laws program -- but my sense is that
active persecution was earlier...... so just quibbling about timing.
Jon Kukla
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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:18 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Jon, in your response to Paul Finkelman, you say "not sure I would
> characterize *1780s* as a period of 'vicious persecution' of any
> denomination in
> VA." Does your uncertainty have to do with your sense of the degree of
> the persecution that does seem to have existed? More than one
religious
> historian has maintained that it was the treatment of Baptists and
others
> by
> both government authorities and general population that helped produce
our
> national position on religious tolerance and freedom. Similarly, Thomas
> Jefferson's concept of separation of church and state seems to have been
> influenced by his perception of ill treatment of such folk as the
> Baptists.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2010 9:05:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> When described in detail, the oaths taken by 18th-c VA officeholders
were
> typically described as "the Oaths appointed to be taken by Act of
> Parliament* followed by a statement about "repeat[ing] and subscrib[ing
--
> i.e., signing] the Test"**
>
> {Language quoted from William Nelson's assumption of governorship in
> October
> 1770 in Van Horne ed Nelson Correspondence 37-38n}
>
> *Act I George I stat 2 cap XIII - oath of allegiance to George I and
> succession of his Protestant heirs
> ** The Test was a repudiation of transubstantion required by the Test
Act
> of
> 1673
>
> At the beginning of a general assembly session and when new burgesses
> entered the Assembly from by-elections, the journals refer more
succinctly
> to the oaths....
>
> George Washington signed a Test Act Oath about May 22, 1754 - the
document
> is extant, or at least preserved by published photographs......
>
> And in 1777 VA adopted its own (secular) Test Act requiring "free male
> inhabitants of this state above a certain age to give assurance of
> allegiance to the same [i.e. to the commonwealth]." - Hening Statutes
9:
> 281-83.
>
> PS to original query : not sure I would characterize *1780s* as a period
> of
> " vicious persecution" of any denomination in VA
>
> Jon Kukla
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>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Henry Wiencek
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
> > According to the "Industrial and historical sketch of Fairfax County,
> > Virginia," (1907), in colonial times all county officials were
> > required to take the "Test Oath" denying belief in the
> > Transubstantiation of the Eucharist, a clause no Roman Catholic could
> > swear to.
> >
> > Henry Wiencek
> >
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