Yes, that crow is full of mischief, and can even fool coyote (ummm).
Anita
>From: Sunshine49 <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Cherokee Election March 3rd Q&A
>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 21:16:56 -0500
>
>But you know, the Tricksters in whatever guise they manifest are the
>gatekeepers between two otherwise static worlds. Without their mischief,
>which shakes one out of old patterns and habits, sorts us out and sits us
>back down, necessary change within us would never occur. So maybe you are
>right, Anita, Coyote is stirring us to new insights.
>
>Or raven/ crow, my own particular favorite.
>
>Nancy
>
>-------
>I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
>
>--Daniel Boone
>
>
>
>On Mar 3, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Anita Wills wrote:
>
>>I wonder who the they are that you refer to? Is it the black they, or the
>>white they, or the mixed raced they. You sound so bitter and angry, but
>>it is misdirected. I would wager that not much will change which ever way
>>the vote goes. I do have Cherokees in my lines, who intermarried within
>>the family. Many of my cousins in Virginia consider themselves Cherokee,
>>but I have found no direct connections (only lines that married in). I
>>have friends who are Cherokee, and consider them my cousins. It is
>>difficult to live in the US, and not be affected by the racism that
>>distorts our society. I hear it in your your message and it must be
>>eating you alive. We are all getting too far away from our ancestors and
>> their beliefs. Everyone is in pursuit of an elusive piece of the
>>American Pie. It must be Coyote up to his old tricks.
>>
>>Anita
>>
>>
>>>From: Coats Family History <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Cherokee Election March 3rd Q&A
>>>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 15:10:46 -0800
>>>
>>>No, the Freedmen that are not Cherokee by Blood do not belong in the
>>>Cherokee Nation...so why should they be able to do something that the
>>>rest of us can't....:)
>>>
>>>I don't know who sent the email or what it was referring to...as a
>>>Cherokee I am certainly not racist, since my Indian heritage has never
>>>gotten me anywhere in the white world and more often than not, was a
>>>hindrance in school...I was always on Indian time and the schools were
>>>always on wall time...
>>>
>>>However, I am Cherokee by Blood...so why would anyone want to belong
>>>to a group when they themselves were not Cherokee by Blood...do they
>>>believe they are going to get some benefits from that?
>>>
>>>I would answer that question yes, in light of the fact that they have
>>>filed in the Federal Court of Claims for the right to build their own
>>>casino...and land allotments that their ancestors already got...I
>>>didn't get any land when I became a citizen of the tribe...why should
>>>they have privileges above mine...in fact most folks living outside
>>>the 14 counties of Nation never receive any benefits from the Cherokee
>>>Nation...and surprising some of the same folks that believe those who
>>>are Cherokee Citizens should not be able to vote unless you do so in
>>>the Nation are supporting the Freedmen's cause...I don't know...there
>>>are some folks back there that fight everything and anything the
>>>Cherokee Nation does!!
>>>
>>>By *vote in the Nation* I mean, if you live in FL, you would have to
>>>fly each election to OK to place your vote...
>>>
>>>So again, one needs to write their congressman, the Feds have always
>>>called the shots anyway....:)
>>>
>>>Charlotte
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 3/3/07, Sunshine49 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>How about rising above one's circumstances, choosing the high ground,
>>>>and trying to end the discrimination in general? Learn from the past
>>>>how to improve the human race [and your own], not one-up the last
>>>>wrongs that were done to you. That's how we stay in this continuous
>>>>[global] spiral of tit for tat, you hit me I'll hit you back harder.
>>>>Life is hard; your choice how you respond to it. Constructively, or
>>>>not. Personally, despite the talk of laws and rolls, I did not care
>>>>for the implied or overt racism of this Cherokee vote. And I read
>>>>other things today that do suggest a racial component to it, no
>>>>matter what legal buzzwords they are trying to hide behind. A
>>>>blatantly racist email that was sent around, warning to "not let the
>>>>Freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR
>>>>CHILDREN, FOR OUR DAUGHTERS." [their caps] Sorry, but this has
>>>>nothing to do with rolls and laws, it is racist fear-mongering, with
>>>>a large dollop of the old dread of black men raping wives and
>>>>daughters. Granted, the writer may be part of some fringe movement,
>>>>but it was reflective of at least a strain of thought there. Yes,
>>>>you'd think people would learn, but it seems not to be so. 'We had
>>>>the Trail of Tears because we were different; let's get these
>>>>freedmen out of our group, because they are different.' Or those
>>>>natives in CA. that were posted about here. Tribalism just seems to
>>>>be part of the human condition. 'We live on this side of the
>>>>mountain, we hate the people who live on the other side of the
>>>>mountain.' I've always felt that you can be as good a person as you
>>>>make yourself be, or as bad a person as you let yourself be. The
>>>>slippery slope is always the easiest way. But the world is an
>>>>increasingly crowded place, with ever more terrible weapons; we have
>>>>to get over this mindset that was ok when we were living in the Stone
>>>>Age. It's far too dangerous a way to live today. We have to learn
>>>>from the past, not keep repeating it.
>>>>
>>>>my 2 cents
>>>>
>>>>Nancy
>>>>
>>>>-------
>>>>I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
>>>>
>>>>--Daniel Boone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Clara Callahan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What it demonstrates is that "minorities" care no more about other
>>>> > "minorities" than the "majority" does. Having been "discriminated"
>>>> > against, themselves, does not prevent them from "discriminating"
>>>> > against others. This is not to say that what the Cherokee are doing
>>>> > is wrong. They are not "discriminating." They are defining and
>>>> > enforcing requirements, not excluding because of "color." We just
>>>> > finished a couple of weeks of conversation about what those whites
>>>> > did to those poor Indians and what those whites did to those poor
>>>> > blacks. Now the conversation has turned to what those Indians are
>>>> > doing to those poor whites and blacks. So far on this board no one
>>>> > is championing either "minority" which, considering the past two
>>>> > weeks' conversation, I find quite interesting. What does one do
>>>> > when one "minority" goes up against another "minority"? Who you
>>>> > gonna root for, the descendents of slaves, the descendents of
>>>> > whites who married Indians, or the descendents of Indians?
>>>> > This oughtta be good.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Basil Forest <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> > The Cherokee having suffered the slings and arrows (no pun
>>>> > intended) of
>>>> > racism, and the exclusion from the rights of the majority, I would
>>>> > think there
>>>> > would be some community of interest and sensitivity in this regard
>>>> > on their
>>>> > part.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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