Herb,
You are not going to like this statement, but I find all the material you
claim to be "untruth" to be quite believable considering all the issues
involved.
I am now reading Jon Kukla's book and again, find it very logical, well
reasoned, and quite believable. It is measurably more believable than what
you keep saying. Jefferson seems to have had great difficulty with women,
considering them less worthy overall than men, and suited only to adorn a
house. It's no wonder that the first woman he swooned over, turned him down,
which he seemed to then blame on all the faults of women in general. Seems
that the Walker case, as illustrated in Kukla's book was more than a mere
indiscretion - but an all out effort to debase the wife of a close friend.
Herb, it is always better to look at the broader picture. Limiting your
belief to only scientific testing is limiting your ability to approach this
issue logically.
If you clear your mind of your prejudice, you may be able to let in a little
sunshine and logic.
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Herbert Barger" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: PBS Misrepresentation of the truth on their web page in Barger's
opinion
> Anne,
>
> Your statement is something from a "perfect world" and has no bearing on
> this immediate subject. Editing is one thing but out and out removal of
> a whole subject, in my opinion, is censorship and PBS did this.
>
> Not satisfied with this deletion, I call your attention to the PBS
> Frontline four video clips where "NOT TRUTH" was told at least on the
> Paris clip: "Sally came to France with Martha (untruth", it was Mary
> (Maria). Reference to half-sister (misunderstanding, nothing proves this
> rumor true, see "Anatomy of a Scandal." Over to another clip,
> Monticello clip: "Jefferson children with Sally" and "His son, Beverly."
> The only two I viewed was so sickening with untruths that I never viewed
> the other two. Why don't these purveyors of family programming and users
> of taxpayer support, at least research such web pages as, Scholars
> Commission Report (www.tjheritage.org) and many other factual places of
> information? I encourage all readers contact PBS about this injustice to
> a great founding father.
>
> This is so outrageous on a web page that proposes that children read and
> view this stuff for their school programs. I will propose and will
> insist that PBS correct this "oversight" or should I use stronger words?
>
>
> I have no problems with other people's views so long as they are based
> upon proven facts. Lanier's book and the PBS videos are NOT based upon
> fact......NOTHING proves Shannon's views that he is a descendant of
> Thomas Jefferson and the PBS videos have the same problem with
> truth....NO proof.... yet they mislead the public in this direction.
>
> I would advise teachers to refrain from recommending this site for
> Jefferson information UNTIL they correct these injustices to Mr.
> Jefferson's character and legacy.
>
> As far as the Isaac Jefferson interview (backing Madison's claims), by
> the same abolitionist, Samuel Wetmore, in another of his series, Life
> Among the Lowly, A Harriet Beecher Stowe, book, Uncle Tom's Cabin, I
> urge you to read TJ's grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph's scathing
> comments on this slave's NON KNOWLEDGE of the issue and the fact that he
> could not have known facts that were attributed to him because of
> conflicts in his dates of birth, etc. Old Sam Wetmore was determined to
> "bad mouth" TJ from all angles but more researchers are finding him
> WRONG. As you mention, I don't believe Sam Wetmore could have used a
> video because, I personally believe that "he may have doctored these
> articles to his own liking" OR possibly he would have used PBS
> tactics....just censor it out.
>
> You references to PBS editors intentions and editing, "if they were
> intent on factual presentation", is a laugh because IF they were, where
> did their story "jump the track"......it was NOT factual in several
> instances.
>
> Thanks for your "ill-mannered" and "cocksure" remarks about me.....when
> facts are lacking "always attack the messenger." Your wording convinces
> me of your lack of knowledge of this subject all together.
>
> Herb Barger
> Jefferson Family Historian
>
>
>
>
> Herb,
>
> I am sure that anytime a tv station takes footage that it is submitted
> to an
> editorial staff, and slices of film hit the floor. I'm sure you are
> neither
> the first nor the last person who was interviewed for a broadcast and
> never
> saw themselves appear in the final show. Having read your interview in
> Lanier's book and comparing it to the other interviews in the book, your
>
> lacks any sense of humility or consideration for other points of view.
> If in
> the PBS interview you referred to people you never met or knew, as
> LIARS, as
> you do on this list, it is likely that the editors at PBS may have
> considered your interview as an invitation to a trouble. If they were
> intent
> on a factual presentation, and if your are in person as illmannered and
> cocksure of your "truth" as superior to the "truth" of other
> researchers,
> your interview with them was probably a disappointment.
>
> In any event, it seems that the PBS site includes the Primary Sources
> that
> teachers have a hard time presenting for students in a usable fasion.
> Certainly, it would have been better had the reporter been able to sound
>
> record both Madison Hemings and Isaac Jefferson, but that technology was
> not
> yet available.
>
> Anne
>
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