A couple of issues
1. Cost of feeding and clothing your slaves. Raising kids is really
expensive, so why would feeding, clothing, medical, training and management
of farm personnel be cheaper than a couple of cotton gins and cotton
pickers.
2. By 1860 a LOT of the 'slaves' were truly family members. I don't
care what a lot of the whites say, the slaves were our kin. As mother would
say, " if you see a black Hawkins, they are probably one of ours". Ask the
Jefferson's and that small fight.
3. Besides, the training and education of the slaves was forced upon
even the most reluctant white farm owner.
4. it was just going away.
5. the Yankees were having their problems with manufacturing help. the
iron mills and manufacturers were having to change from child and women
laborers.
6. lastly, the population was escaping the eastern problems and moving
to the Midwest. Native American problems or not, the population was voting
with their feet, black and white, by escaping the age old problems of the
east.
Texas was a great melting pot then, as it is today.
John P. Adams
Texas
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I would think based on accounts of how expensive slaves were to purchase and
provide for, and accounts of how lazy and shiftless many were, Southerners
would be pleased to substitute technology for the problems and expense
involved in keeping slaves in their work force. With a ready market like
Brazil for the sale of their slaves, they would have an out to recoup what
they had into their slaves. While there may not have been a widespread
movement for emancipation in the South, there was a widespread discussion on
what to do with the burgeoning slave population which was becoming more and
more problematic, to the extent that the northern Southern states were
moving away from slavery and selling them to the deep Southern states.
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> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:44:50 -0700
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> much different set of facts. Indian removal involved about 30,000 persons,
overland, over a period of time. Many self-removed before the infamous
forced removals. Plus they provided their own transport.
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:24 PM
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> Where did the United States find the money to remove Native Americans to
the West? As Bill Freehling has pointed out, it at least demonstrates that
the national government had the political will to execute a removal program
given the right incentives. I freely admit that there were many differences
in the two circumstances, but it gave a certain veneer of plausibility to
colonization.
>
> Gregg Kimball
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> Hard to imagine where would have found the ships and money for a mass
exodus to Liberia.
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:34 PM
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> I wrote that, and it was in connection Lincoln's initial plan to send
freed slaves to Liberia. I clearly stated that that was veering off topic of
this thread. Lincoln abandoned that plan due to vocal opposition from the
black community.
>
> That sentence was part of a larger "conjecture" of how slavery would
> have ended had the South won, whenever it ended, if it would ever end
> (and it surely would.)
>
> Craig Kilby
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> On May 7, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Finkelman, Paul
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> > One post suggested that "hundreds of thousands of blacks" might have
gone to Liberia? On what boats? How many ships were around to move them?
Who would pay for it?
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