This is what happens when you write e-mails very late at night; what I meant to
say was that the compromise barely passed thus *preventing* Missouri from coming
in as a free state; had the South not had many extra representatives, based on
slaves, the proslavery compromise, bringing Mo. in as a slave state could never
have passed the house of representatives.
thanks for the correction
Trenton Hizer wrote:
> Another minor correction. Missouri came in as a slave state.
>
> Trenton Hizer
> Library of Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul finkelman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:17 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 3/5ths provision
>
> A minor correction; the confederation Congress has proposed the 3/5ths rule
> for taxation;
> it was never implemented.
>
> The 3/5ths clause was extremely important in providing the South with the
> margin of
> victory in such issues as teh Missouri compromise, which barely passed, in
> bringing in
> Mo. as a free state and the fugitive slave law of 1850; most important of
> all. however,
> without the electoral votes created by the 3/5ths clause Thomas Jefferson
> would have lost
> the election of 1800 to John Adams and Jackson would perhaps have run 2nd to
> JQ Adams in
> 1824 in the electoral vote; it is alos possible that Clay would have beaten
> Polk in 1844.
>
> Paul Finkelman
>
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> Jon Kukla wrote:
>
> > Two quick comments. The 3/5s formula adopted in the Phila convention for
> > representation was based on percentage already in use by the Confederation
> Congress
> > to assess state quotas for support of the national government.
> > After adoption of the Constitution, the advantage deriving to southern
> states was a
> > sore spot with many New Englanders - many examples of this are found in
> the essays of
> > Fisher Ames - see The Works of Fisher Ames. Edited by Seth Ames and
> William Allen.
> > (Indianapolis. Liberty Fund. 1983) e.g., pp. 232-233 and 924-931.
> > Jon Kukla
> >
> > Harold S. Forsythe wrote:
> >
> > > Bob is exactly right! As I remember it, the Virginia delegates to
> > > the Constitutional Convention, being good republicans, initially
> > > preferred direct election of the President. They were reminded of a
> > > terrible disadvantage that they faced, that though Virginia was the
> > > most populous state in the new Union, it did not have the largest
> > > white population. Hence, the 3/5 compromise gave VA and the
> > > other slave states, more clout in Presidential elections as well as
> > > extra seats in the House of Representatives, that would have been
> > > withheld through any apportionment system that ignored the
> > > enslaved population.
> > > Thus, the particular politics of the US Census in the South:
> > > another topic of, I think, great importance.
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > > Date sent: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:26:57 -0700
> > > From: Bob Huddleston <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Elections
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Send reply to: Discussion of research and writing about
> Virginia history
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > >
> > > > Well, without the additional electoral votes made possible by the 3/5
> > > > compromise, John Adams would have been reelected in 1800 and the
> Virginia
> > > > Dynasty would have been still born.
> > > >
> > > > Take care,
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > Judy and Bob Huddleston
> > > > 10643 Sperry Street
> > > > Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana Bennett
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:17 AM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Elections
> > > >
> > > > Dear Listers:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the feedback on succession. Now I would like some
> > > > comments on "Slaves became important around election time. The
> > > > legislature representing the South was elected by using three fifths
> of
> > > > the slave population." It sounds like mud slinging such as we've had
> in in
> > > > the late 1900's, but is this possible?
> > > >
> > > > Diana Bennett
> > > >
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> > > Harold S. Forsythe
> > > Assistant Professor History
> > > Director: Black Studies
> > > Fairfield University
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