Sorry, but Tennessee was included in the original charter for Virginia  
so, yes, Tennessee as part of VA would be the claim on both by that  
charter. Virginians always view what original territory folks did  
later with a certain amount of paternalistic pride. The Southern Cult  
of Ancestor Worship being the dominant religion, after  
Whiskeypalianism. Another reason why VA will never go with the metric  
system. Somehow, wherever you find Four Episcopalians, you find a  
liter doesn't work as well as a fifth.

Lyle Browning


On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Paul wrote:

> Umm, I love Virginia and everything, but Virginia did not lend  
> Houston and Crockett, Tennessee did.
>
> Houston was born there, yes, but he got his oppurtunities in  
> Tennessee. I currently live real close to where he started making  
> his mark in life in Maryville.
>
> Crockett was born here and there was barely any connection to  
> Virginia. So there is no claim Virginia can make on him at all.
>
> Paul Shannon
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Lyle E. Browning <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> From: Lyle E. Browning <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] 07011920Z08 Superlatives
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 10:07 AM
>> Ah, pesky history and experience again cause me to have
>> small issue
>> with the order of the proposal. VA has had 8 presidents
>> within the
>> original confines and a good few others from the ex-urbs.
>> We loaned
>> you Houston and Crocket and that didn't turn out well
>> at the end so I
>> respectfully submit the weight of history and experience
>> would suggest
>> a different ordering of precedence. Given the snake issue,
>> now that
>> the moose are moot, Texas might consider county status with
>> periodic
>> performance reviews of leadership. But, we might have you
>> deal with
>> California as that will certainly become a thorny problem
>> (redeeming
>> past problems and all that). Otherwise, good plan.
>>
>> Lyle Browning, RPA
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:44 PM, John Philip Adams wrote:
>>
>>> May I suggest sir, that since many accuse Virginia and
>> Texas off
>>> similar
>>> qualities, all good I am sure, that we combine forces.
>> Texas
>>> secedes, again.
>>> Virginia, immediately asked to become the State of
>> Virginia in the NEW
>>> Republic of Texas and we would now have ports on the
>> Atlantic and
>>> the Gulf
>>> of Mexico. I also suggest that we nationalize the
>> military bases in
>>> our
>>> country or at least charge the yankees rent. You all
>> have any oil
>>> off your
>>> coast we could drill for some oil or put up some wind
>> mills.
>>> You know Boone Pickens put 40,000 acres in west Texas
>> for renewable
>>> energy.
>>> We can do the same over there.
>>> GOOD Luck.
>>> John Philip Adams
>>> Texas
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Discussion of research and writing about
>> Virginia history
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lyle
>> E. Browning
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:02 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: 07011920Z08 Superlatives
>>>
>>> I think you youngsters really ought to get your
>> history straight.
>>> Virginia should, by all rights, reclaim all our
>> smaller counties, like
>>> Kentucky, Ohio, etc. and pull back into the fold all
>> that territory
>>> originally granted in the original VA charter being
>> 200 miles north
>>> and south of the Virginia capes and west to the
>> Pacific. But, I do
>>> believe that VA allowed these counties to separate
>> themselves
>>> peaceably from the greater territory, recognizing them
>> as current
>>> adolescents in need of guidance. I don't know that
>> Texas would be
>>> pulled in as it wasn't then part and is too full
>> of hot weather,
>>> rattlesnakes and temperamental folks. Likewise New
>> England wouldn't be
>>> needed as too full of cold weather, moose and taciturn
>> folks you can't
>>> engage in conversation.
>>>
>>> Lyle Browning, RPA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM, John Philip Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1.	Secession - Declaration of Independence. READ
>> IT this is where the
>>>> concept of secession was espoused by the Honorable
>> Thomas Jefferson,
>>>> and the
>>>> founders of our country.
>>>> 2.	Texas - is the only State that may have the
>> LEGAL right to secede.
>>>> When we contracted to become a state, this codicil
>> was included in
>>>> our
>>>> contract - treaty. We also have or had the right
>> to divide into FIVE
>>>> states
>>>> and really antagonize the rest of you all.
>>>> 3.	If Texas were to secede and regain our original
>> territory, we
>>>> would
>>>> regain most of New Mexico, Colorado and parts of
>> Oklahoma.
>>>> 4. 	Texas would become the 6th largest member of
>> OPEC. We would also
>>>> be
>>>> drilling off the coast of Florida, California, New
>> Jersey just like
>>>> Cuba and
>>>> China as well as processing all of those oil sands
>> in our northern
>>>> counties
>>>> of Texas called Colorado.
>>>> 5.	Not counting the mineral deposits of Uranium,
>> Gold and other heavy
>>>> metals in our western state of New Mexico.
>>>> The good part is we would lead the way in
>> renewable industry, wind
>>>> and
>>>> Hydroelectric as well as our numerous refineries
>> to send to the rest
>>>> of the
>>>> US at 140 per barrel. I remember when the rest of
>> the country was
>>>> mad at
>>>> Texas when oil was $36 per barrel, I wonder what
>> it will be like at
>>>> $150 per
>>>> barrel.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> John Philip Adams
>>>> Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Discussion of research and writing about
>> Virginia history
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>> Walter Waddell
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:25 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: 07011920Z08 Superlatives
>>>>
>>>> Using superlatives.
>>>>
>>>> I have finished reading the U.S. Constitution and
>> its several
>>>> Amendments.
>>>> There is no mention of "secession"
>>>> (formal withdrawal or separation), either for or
>> against.
>>>> Specifically, the
>>>> Congress has the power to "suppress"
>>>> (physically crush) "insurrections"
>> (physical acts of revolt and
>>>> uprising
>>>> against established authority). (By the
>>>> by: the "Privilege of the Writ of Habeas
>> Corpus" may "be suspended"
>>>> should
>>>> "the public Safety.require it". Thus,
>>>> the phase: "The Constitution is not a suicide
>> pact" is aptly put. One
>>>> wonders if the "lofty Nine" have even
>> read
>>>> the Constitution let alone reviewed it from time
>> to time).
>>>>
>>>> And therein lies the rub: If one chooses to brand
>> "any" (all
>>>> inclusive, no
>>>> exceptions) display of dissatisfaction
>>>> with our Union, then "secession" is an
>> act of treason and suffer the
>>>> consequences.
>>>>
>>>> If thinking, talking, writing, and petitioning for
>> a formal
>>>> withdrawal or
>>>> separation, albeit in a non inflammatory
>>>> manner (no yelling "fire" in a crowded
>> theater), are reasoned by
>>>> reasonable
>>>> persons to be a proper and orderly ways
>>>> to display dissatisfaction with our Union; and I
>> hope that these so
>>>> described "actions" remain firm fixtures
>> for
>>>> expression about our Republic, then secession is a
>> viable and legal
>>>> course
>>>> for the many to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Even if Virginia had acted only in manner(s) so
>> described by the
>>>> preceding
>>>> paragraph (no acts of violence or
>>>> inflammatory speech), she still would have been in
>> a state of
>>>> "insurrection"
>>>> since the Constitution specifically
>>>> forbids each of the several states from entering
>> "into any Treaty,
>>>> Alliance,
>>>> or Confederation.."
>>>>
>>>> As I have stated before, when one or two the
>> western states is so
>>>> populated
>>>> with a specific "tribe" and that
>>>> "tribe" has its representatives in
>> overwhelming control of the
>>>> state's
>>>> government, this issue, secession, will
>>>> appear on the "radar". I would love to
>> be around to see if my
>>>> forecast comes
>>>> true.
>>>>
>>>> And finally: Democracy is nothing if but a very
>> short step from
>>>> tyranny by
>>>> the majority. Majority rules!
>>>>
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