J. South,
Can you be more specific about the improvements and maintenance that were
not done? Was that stated as a reason at the time that the feds were to
"surrender" the fort. The term "surrender" sounds like the outcome of a
battle, not a peaceful exchange of property among allies.
Anne
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> Yes, the Federal Forts, and particularly Sumter, were given to the Federal
> government by the states.? Sumter was given by South Carolina on the
> condition that certain maintenance and improvements would be made to it,
> which the US failed to comply with.
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> The Oval Office is not a place for on the job training for former
> community organizers or former state governors who don't know their way
> around DC or the Federal goverment.
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> J South
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: Re: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment
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> J. South,?
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> Everyone elected to the presidency is "inexperienced" in some degree or
> another, unless they have served already, in which case, they can be
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> Why did the south want the federal forts to be surrended to them anyway?
> Had
> they paid for them? Resupplying a fort is not reason to fire on it. It is
> reason to ask what is going on and set another date, if desired, to
> surrender the fort. But, the term "surrender" suggests that the south
> expected it to be a gift. What consideration were they giving for this
> fort??
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> Anne?
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> ----- Original Message -----
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>> Nice analysis of history.? Sounds like it was written by Seward.?
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>> The peaceful surrender of Fort Sumter was arranged for April 15th.? Then
>> Lincoln, et. al., thought they would be cute and try to resupply the fort
>> with troops and arms under the noses of the South Carolina militia.? The
>> approach of the ships triggered the firing.? The firing triggered another
>> brilliant Lincoln move of calling for troops from all the states in the
>> Union, including Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee and North Carolina, to
>> invade the South.?
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>> Lincoln handled the secession crisis with all the finesse of a bull in a
>> china shop, and was personally responsible for the deaths of
>> 600,000-700,000 brave American men.? A good lesson on why not to elect
>> inexperienced politicians to the presidency during times of crisis, or
>> any
>> other time for that matter.?
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>> J South?
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>> -----Original Message-----?
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>> From: Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]>?
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>> Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 6:23 pm?
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>> Subject: Re: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment?
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>> Walter,??
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>> Your qualifications are worth noting. President Lincoln did not
>> willy-nilly?
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>> call out an army, but acted with caution and reason in response to the?
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>> demands to take over federal propery, such as Fort Sumpter, and such.
>> For?
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>> the life of me, I do not understand why the south pretends they were put?
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>> upon by the war, when it was the south that fired the first shot. Had
>> the?
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>> south responded with courtesy and restraint with the commander at Fort?
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>> Sumpter, who was in the right to continue his presence until recalled by
>> his?
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>> commander in chief, they could have averted the blood shed. The south
>> was?
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>> out for blood, and they got it!??
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>> Anne??
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>> Anne Pemberton??
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Walter Waddell" <[log in to unmask]>??
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>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:09 PM??
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>> Subject: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment??
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>>> "Lincoln never gave the US courts the opportunity to render an opinion
>>> on?
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>>> the Constitutionality of secession.? He??
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>>> just summarily called for the raising of an army to invade the
>>> initially?
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>>> seceding states --"??
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>>> The statement does not suit for any general examination of a timeline
>>> for?
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>>> a "dejure" secessionist argument since??
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>>> both officials and ordinary citizens of several seceding states had?
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>>> engaged and or were engaging in acts of??
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>>> violence against Federal persons and property.??
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>>> An argument for secession must be incident free of any act of violence
>>> or?
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>>> call for violence to achieve credible??
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>>> review as provided for by the words set forth throughout the U. S.?
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>>> Constitution -- using a literal reading thereof.??
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