According to The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal,
volume XII (1893), p. 465, Christopher Wormeley I was
buried in St. Mary’s Church, Lowgate, Hull on 27 July
1588 . This would seem to square with the proving date
for his will in August 1589.

His son, Christopher Wormeley II was baptized there on
15 March 1588/1589. I believe this information is
pretty solid but look forward to checking it myself as
the Parish Records for St. Mary Lowgate are readily
accessible through A2A.

My suspicion is that CWII was the man who served as
Governor of Tortuga and then was in Virginia though he
also maintained property in England. I am currently
summarizing the many records I have found relating to
CWII in England, Tortuga and Virginia. I suspect that
CWII died outside Virginia and possibly even outside
England.

It is CWII who married Mary Adams. Following his
death, she re-married to Captain William Brocas who
seems to have died by 1655. Brocas hails from an
interesting family (I just today purchased a book by
Burrows published in 1886 concerning the English and
French origins of the Brocas family). I am not sure
when Mary Adams Wormeley Borcas may have died but I
believe Brocas  was also married to Eleanor Eltonhead.

My belief remains that CWII sired Ralph before
marrying Mary Adams (before 1619) and probably after
1609 (when he turned 20 and most likely had finished
whatever apprenticeship he may have pursued). If Ralph
was born in this window, he would have been of
appropriate age to have then married Agatha Eltonhead
in July 1645.

I believe Borthwick is a rich source of information
concerning this and related topics.

More later and kind regards.

C.

--- Kathleen Much <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Here's another confounding bit of data to add to the
> stew:
> _Genealogies of Virginia Families_ (Baltimore:
> Genealogical Publishing
> Co., 1981), vol. 5, p. 885 [listing children of
> Christopher II and
> Mary Adams, citing Visitations of Yorkshire]:
> "Anne^10 [10th
> generation from Sir John de Wormele of 1312] married
> her cousin,
> Edward Wormeley, of Riccall, who died in 1670, aged
> 58. [b ca 1612]
> "Jane^10 married her cousin, John Wormeley."
> If Edward son of CWI died childless, then Edward b
> ca 1612 and John
> presumably are the sons of Henry. Is it possible
> that Ralph was also
> Henry's son? That would make him the correct
> generation to marry
> Agatha (Eltonhead) Stubbins. Did Thomas W leave any
> sons? (I agree
> with you that Thomas is probably a son of John, not
> of CWI.)
>
> A problem with this narrative is that "Miss
> Wormeley", the author of
> the article, places Ralph Wormeley of "Rosegill"
> (the Secretary) as a
> son of CWII and Mary Adams. We know that he was the
> son of Ralph
> Wormeley and Agatha Eltonhead from the deed cited by
> the Rutmans:
> ""There is on record in Middlesex county an
> indenture between Sir
> Henry Chichley, of Rosegill, Middlesex county,
> Virginia, Knight, and
> Ralph Wormeley, of the same place, esquire, son and
> heir of Ralph
> Wormeley, Esq., late deceased, and Agatha, his wife.
> . . . And said
> Ralph Wormeley, deceased, left his estate to his
> wife, who afterwards
> married Sir Henry Chichley; but before the marriage
> she settled the
> estate upon her son, Ralph Wormeley, the younger,
> who at the time of
> the marriage was under age of twenty-one, said
> Chichley, in payment of
> the profits of the estate which he has received,
> conveyed to said
> Ralph Wormeley, the younger, 700 acres in Middlesex
> and certain goods
> (per schedule), provided the said Chichley did not
> pay the said
> Wormeley £1,300 sterling before December 1678."
>
> I haven't seen any Robert Wormeleys hanging about in
> this era. It's
> almost impossible that there was a "Robert Ralph" in
> that era, when
> double given names were unheard of. Certainly it's
> possible that
> somebody misread "Raph" or "Radf" (common written
> versions of Ralph)
> as "Robt" and later expanded it to Robert. The only
> Robert I've run
> into is John's grandfather, who died 20 Feb 1526,
> leaving son Charles
> (John's father).
>
> I don't put much stock in the Internet claims that
> CWII was born 1589,
> as all of them I saw derive from a "patron
> submission" to the IGI, not
> from actual parish records. Now it's certainly
> possible that the
> parish register of Hull contains CWII's baptism, but
> I haven't seen it
> myself. Maybe next summer, when I''m back in York
> (if the Borthwick
> Institute has the register for Hull).
>
> Still, if CWII was born in 1589 and married 1619,
> Christopher III
> (governor of Tortuga 6 July 1631) cannot have been
> his son as Miss
> Wormeley claims--he would have been 12 years old at
> most.
>
> If you can clear up Miss Wormeley's difficulties,
> I'll be much happier.
>
> Kathleen
>
>
> On 12/28/05, Charles Ortel wrote:
> >
> > The entry for "Wormeley of Hatfield" on p. 350 of
> a
> > summary of the Visitation of Yorkshire in 1584/5
> and
> > 1612 shows just three children for CWI and his
> wife
> > Elizabeth Hogg. These are the eldest son Edward
> who is
> > shown as being born in 1582, Henry and Jane.
> >
> > Dugdale's Visitation (1665-6) has an entry for
> > "Wormeley of Rikhall" that lists Jane first, then
> > Edward (who is said to have died without issue),
> Henry
> > (who married Margaret Consett and is not shown as
> > having had a daughter Elizabeth who might have
> married
> > Richard Kemp), and Christopher (who is shown
> having
> > married Mary Adams, but this entry incorrectly
> > suggests Mary was a daughter of William Adams
> when, in
> > fact, she was a daughter of Philip Adams).
> >
> > I have not been able to research the Parish
> Records
> > themselves but I have found references on the
> internet
> > to the baptism of Christopher Wormeley at St. Mary
> > Lowgate in Hull around 1588. Also, I believe CWI
> died
> > by 1589. His will was proven 13 August 1589 (I am
> > trying to get a copy of PCY 24/204)and very
> clearly
> > provides for eldest son Edward, Henry and to Jane.
> It
> > also makes provision for an unborn child, whom I
> > assume was Christopher and possibly a twin sister
> > Mary. Another data point is the will of Margaret
> > Wormeley, wife of John Wormeley and mother of CWI.
> > This will was proven 16 March 1601/2 (chasing a
> copy
> > of PCY 28/563). It provides for the children of
> CWI
> > and lists them as
> "Edward...Jane...Henry,Christopher
> > and Mary". Finally, the will of Thomas Wormeley,
> > brother of CWI was proven 10 March 1627/8 (chasing
> a
> > copy of PCY 40/168). This document mentions
> "Margaret,
> > my now wife" who could be the woman you identify
> as
> > "Margaret Wray". It provides for "my nephews
> Edward,
> > Henry and Christopher"...[and] "to my niece Mary
> > Newsome, their sister". None of these documents
> > appears to mention a "Ralph Wormeley".
> >
> > From what I have seen, there is no solid evidence
> of
> > the birth of a "Ralph Wormeley" among the English
> > records involving Christopher Wormeley and his
> wife
> > Elizabeth Hogg.
> >
> > Yet, in Virginia, it is very clear that Ralph
> Wormeley
> > did exist and also that he was prinicipal heir to
> > Christopher Wormeley, following the death of CW II
> > around 1645/6. Here, it is worth noting that the
> wife
> > of CWII, Mary Adams, seems to have re-married to
> > William Brocas and to have been involved in the
> > administration, with Ralph, of the estate of CW
> II.
> >
> > As to Thomas Wormeley, I believe he was a brother
> of
> > CWI and not that he was a brother of CWII.
> >
> > One further point-I have not been able to check
> the
> > source documents themselves, but I have found
> mention
> > of a "Robert Wormeley" in connection with CWII and
> the
> > venture to Association Island/Tortuga in the
> > Providence Company records. Perhaps this gentleman
> is
> > "Robert Ralph Wormeley"?
> >
> > Finally, I note that CW II was married to Mary
> Adams
> > around 1619, when he was 30 years old. This is
> much
> > later than most men seem  to have been married for
> the
> > first time. I suspect that CW II was married
> > previously and that Ralph (or "Robert Ralph") may
> have
> > been a son of CW II. But I intend to dig further
> to
> > prove or disprove this suspicion.
>
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