This is a pet peeve, but Scotch is a drink and Scots is a nationality  
so strictly speaking, and this is from my Northern Irish cousins  
recently discovered, they prefer Scots-Irish.

Anne, you've gone off half-cocked yet again. The English, being  
nominally Protestant, were of the same general religion as the Scots- 
Irish, although the Scots-Irish were more likely to be Presbyterian or  
Wesleyan and those folks were much more hard-line than the COE types  
in England.

You seem to be confusing marriages between the nominally RC Irish in  
the current Republic and the nominally COE English. As religion often  
was a barrier between marriages rather than much of anything else,  
it's rather a silly point to attempt to argue. Marriage between two  
branches of Protestantism would be more likely than across the great  
divide of RC and Prot.

As for doing dirty work, they were in the majority soldiers so, yes,  
they did the "enforcer" stuff quite well. They were after all part of  
Cromwell's army sent to subjugate the Irish and settled into Northern  
Ireland.

Lyle Browning


On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Anne Pemberton wrote:

> Neal,
>
> I think if you re-read your post to Anita, you will find that you  
> and she are talking at cross purposes. Pointing out that there were  
> Scotch-Irish among the Revolutionaries does not establish that there  
> were intermarriages between the English and the Scotch-Irish. The  
> difference in religions would of course, be a major stumbling block  
> in earlier times.
>
> When you are checking your sources, you may want to check and see if  
> those marriages you say existed between scotch-irish and english  
> occurred only in, say, the lower class, but not the upper ones.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Mulatto +Scotch-Irish
>
>
>> Anita, I must say I am surprised at your reaction.  I was not  
>> looking for glamour in history, why do you even make such a  
>> statement -- I was simply offering a correction to your misleading  
>> statement that "...there were not a lot of English and Irish  
>> marriages in Colonial America."  I also do not understand the  
>> harshness of your response.  I pulled two history texts off the  
>> shelf because they were handy: Scotch-Irish by Leyburn and Albion's  
>> Seed by Fischer.  Both speak of the common values and beliefs of  
>> the lowland Scots (who emigrated to Ulster Ireland) and Scots and  
>> English borderland people and how their subsequent settlement in  
>> common areas of Colonial America (including frontier VA and present  
>> WV) led to common intermarriages between Scotch-'Irish' and English  
>> settlers.  While I would enjoy listing important Scotch-Irish  
>> contributers and leaders of the American Revolution and its further  
>> causes, responding to your incendiary and false commentary is not  
>> worth the bother as it seems likely at this point that you would  
>> only add more.
>>
>> Neil McDonald
>>
>> From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Mulatto +Scotch-Irish
>>
>>
>> The Scotch English did not consider the Scotch Irish as their  
>> social equal. Marriages were not common between the two groups.  
>> Most English (Anglos) were Episcopalian, and the Scotch Irish were  
>> Presybeterians. The Scotch-Irish did the dirty work for the  
>> English, such as killing the Indians, and overseeing slaves. In  
>> Britain they were seen as a little higher on the Social scale then  
>> the Irish.
>>
>> History is not always glamorous.
>>
>> From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Mulatto +Scotch-Irish
>>
>>
>>> Colonial American 'Irish' were mostly 'Scotch-Irish' emigrating  
>>> Northern
>>> Ireland during 1700-1775.  For the most part they moved into the  
>>> inland
>>> areas of MD-PA and many thence to frontier areas of VA and further  
>>> south but
>>> including a 'new' frontier of western PA by the mid-late 1700's --  
>>> along
>>> with many English frontiersmen from the Scots-English borderland  
>>> area and
>>> other English origins.  So English-'Irish' marriages were indeed  
>>> fairly
>>> common in frontier areas of Colonial America.  Comparatively,  
>>> there weren't
>>> many Irish immigrants in Eastern Seaboard areas in Colonial  
>>> American times,
>>> these came later resulting from the potato famines.
>>>
>>> Neil McDonald
>>
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