Thank you, Barbara,  for taking time to correct my error.  I have no excuse
other than being sloppy, as only recently I used a phone book from NYC dated
in the1880s to make a connection in a family I'm researching.

 What I was trying to point out is that too many times a list of names
without source information that can be evaluated is offered as a final
genealogy report, when at best, it's an outline that may or may not have
worth.

--Tom Gilmore

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Barbara Vines Little, CG <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Actually a phone book is more useful as it can, like a tax list, help
> document the presence of an individual during a given time at a specific
> place.
>
> Barbara Vines Little, CG
> Dominion Research Services
> PO Box 1273
> Orange, VA 22960
>
> 540-832-3473 [log in to unmask]
>
> CG, Certified Genealogist, is a service mark of the Board for Certification
> of Genealogists, used under
> license by board certified genealogists after periodic evaluation, and the
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> US Patent & Trademark Office.
>
>
> Tom Gilmore wrote:
>
>>   If we are going to get into genealogy, fine, but please, let's not
>> mistake a list of names and dates for genealogy.   Knowledgeable
>> genealogists, like other trained researchers,  know that  It is their
>> responsibility to conduct suitable studies and* report them in sufficient
>> detail to permit evaluation and confirmation by others. *  Paul Drake
>> wrote
>> something like this: Genealogy without evidence is worthless."  . May I
>> add,
>> that a list of names and dates without citations is about as useful to a
>> genealogist as the telephone book.
>>
>> --Tom Gilmore
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:39 PM, John Philip Adams <[log in to unmask]
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Nicholas Martiou's wife is Jane Berkeley is the daughter of Henry
>>> Berkeley,
>>> 12Th Baron Berkeley.
>>> So let's try this again. Washington is descendant of the Berkeley's of
>>> England. Maybe Ms. Pemberton should take a genealogy course before
>>> espousing
>>> the plebian qualities of George Washington.
>>> Let's do some research before we believe 'a book' regarding the FOUNDING
>>> FATHER OF OUR COUNTRY.
>>> John Philip Adams
>>> Texas
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anne Pemberton
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:58 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Washington's Earliest Ancestor
>>>
>>> Connie,
>>>
>>> Could you flesh out that descendency from Martiou to George Washington?
>>>
>>> My understanding is that John Washington married the daughter of
>>> Nathanial
>>> Pope, Ann, if I remember correctly. Is the connection from Martiou to Ann
>>> Pope?
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Connie Lapallo" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Washington's Earliest Ancestor
>>>
>>>
>>> Anne wrote: "I hate to burst your bubble but...George Washington's
>>> earliest
>>> ancestor was John Washington who came to Northern Neck as a ship's mate,
>>> and married well...."
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, no.
>>>
>>> John Washington was only George's earliest ancestor named Washington--not
>>> his earliest American ancestor. That was Captain Nicholas Martiau
>>> (spelled
>>> various ways, including "Marten") Martiau was a French Huguenot who
>>> arrived
>>> in 1620 on the Francis Bonaventure. He was a French military engineer, a
>>> Justice of the Court of York, a member of the House of Burgesses, and a
>>> signer of the rebuttal concerning living conditions in the colony from
>>> 1607
>>> to
>>> 1619. In 1640, he was granted 1,300 acres (a fairly large tract in those
>>> days).
>>> He called his home "York," which is part of today's Yorktown.
>>>
>>> Martiau also built a fort, called "Martiau's fort," the subject of a 1989
>>> dig. In
>>> its report, the APVA states, "The fort was likely constructed c. 1630 by
>>> Nicolas Martiau, a trained French military engineer and owner of the land
>>> were
>>> the fort was situated."
>>>
>>> In 1635, Martiau was a leader in the uprising against Royal Governor John
>>> Harvey, an important event in Virginia's early history. The meeting which
>>> eventually led to Harvey's ousting took place, ironically, near Martiau's
>>> house
>>> and likely just a few hundred yards from the site of the later surrender
>>> of
>>> Cornwallis to General George Washington, Martiau's great-great-great
>>> grandson at Yorktown.
>>>
>>> A stone marker, dedicated in 1631 by Gen. Pershing, reads:
>>>
>>> SITE OF THE HOME OF
>>>
>>> NICOLAS MARTIAU
>>>
>>> THE ADVENTUROUS HUGUENOT
>>>
>>> HE WAS BORN IN FRANCE 1591
>>>
>>> CAME TO VIRGINIA 1620
>>>
>>> AND DIED IN YORKTOWN 1657
>>>
>>> HE WAS A CAPTAIN IN THE INDIAN UPRISING
>>>
>>> A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE OF BURGESSES
>>>
>>> JUSTICE OF THE COURT OF YORK
>>>
>>> IN 1635 A LEADER
>>>
>>> IN THE THRUSTING OUT OF GOVERNOR HARVEY
>>>
>>> WHICH WAS THE FIRST OPPOSITION
>>>
>>> IN THE BRITISH COLONIAL POLICY.
>>>
>>> THE ORIGINAL PATENTEE FOR YORKTOWN
>>>
>>> AND THROUGH THE MARRIAGE
>>>
>>> OF HIS DAUGHTER ELIZABETH
>>>
>>> TO COL. GEORGE READ HE BECAME
>>>
>>> THE EARLIEST AMERICAN ANCESTOR OF BOTH
>>>
>>> GEN. GEORGE WASHINGTON
>>>
>>> AND GOVERNOR THOMAS NELSON
>>>
>>>
>>> Like his grandson, Martiau was a leader of his time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Connie Lapallo
>>> Author of
>>> DARK ENOUGH TO SEE THE STARS IN A JAMESTOWN SKY
>>> And its upcoming sequel
>>> THE SUN IS BUT A MORNING STAR IN A JAMESTOWN SKY
>>> www.ConnieLapallo.com
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