But you know, the Tricksters in whatever guise they manifest are the
gatekeepers between two otherwise static worlds. Without their
mischief, which shakes one out of old patterns and habits, sorts us
out and sits us back down, necessary change within us would never
occur. So maybe you are right, Anita, Coyote is stirring us to new
insights.
Or raven/ crow, my own particular favorite.
Nancy
-------
I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
--Daniel Boone
On Mar 3, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Anita Wills wrote:
> I wonder who the they are that you refer to? Is it the black they,
> or the white they, or the mixed raced they. You sound so bitter and
> angry, but it is misdirected. I would wager that not much will
> change which ever way the vote goes. I do have Cherokees in my
> lines, who intermarried within the family. Many of my cousins in
> Virginia consider themselves Cherokee, but I have found no direct
> connections (only lines that married in). I have friends who are
> Cherokee, and consider them my cousins. It is difficult to live in
> the US, and not be affected by the racism that distorts our
> society. I hear it in your your message and it must be eating you
> alive. We are all getting too far away from our ancestors and
> their beliefs. Everyone is in pursuit of an elusive piece of the
> American Pie. It must be Coyote up to his old tricks.
>
> Anita
>
>
>> From: Coats Family History <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia
>> history <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Cherokee Election March 3rd Q&A
>> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 15:10:46 -0800
>>
>> No, the Freedmen that are not Cherokee by Blood do not belong in the
>> Cherokee Nation...so why should they be able to do something that the
>> rest of us can't....:)
>>
>> I don't know who sent the email or what it was referring to...as a
>> Cherokee I am certainly not racist, since my Indian heritage has
>> never
>> gotten me anywhere in the white world and more often than not, was a
>> hindrance in school...I was always on Indian time and the schools
>> were
>> always on wall time...
>>
>> However, I am Cherokee by Blood...so why would anyone want to belong
>> to a group when they themselves were not Cherokee by Blood...do they
>> believe they are going to get some benefits from that?
>>
>> I would answer that question yes, in light of the fact that they have
>> filed in the Federal Court of Claims for the right to build their own
>> casino...and land allotments that their ancestors already got...I
>> didn't get any land when I became a citizen of the tribe...why should
>> they have privileges above mine...in fact most folks living outside
>> the 14 counties of Nation never receive any benefits from the
>> Cherokee
>> Nation...and surprising some of the same folks that believe those who
>> are Cherokee Citizens should not be able to vote unless you do so in
>> the Nation are supporting the Freedmen's cause...I don't know...there
>> are some folks back there that fight everything and anything the
>> Cherokee Nation does!!
>>
>> By *vote in the Nation* I mean, if you live in FL, you would have to
>> fly each election to OK to place your vote...
>>
>> So again, one needs to write their congressman, the Feds have always
>> called the shots anyway....:)
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/3/07, Sunshine49 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> How about rising above one's circumstances, choosing the high
>>> ground,
>>> and trying to end the discrimination in general? Learn from the past
>>> how to improve the human race [and your own], not one-up the last
>>> wrongs that were done to you. That's how we stay in this continuous
>>> [global] spiral of tit for tat, you hit me I'll hit you back harder.
>>> Life is hard; your choice how you respond to it. Constructively, or
>>> not. Personally, despite the talk of laws and rolls, I did not care
>>> for the implied or overt racism of this Cherokee vote. And I read
>>> other things today that do suggest a racial component to it, no
>>> matter what legal buzzwords they are trying to hide behind. A
>>> blatantly racist email that was sent around, warning to "not let the
>>> Freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR
>>> CHILDREN, FOR OUR DAUGHTERS." [their caps] Sorry, but this has
>>> nothing to do with rolls and laws, it is racist fear-mongering, with
>>> a large dollop of the old dread of black men raping wives and
>>> daughters. Granted, the writer may be part of some fringe movement,
>>> but it was reflective of at least a strain of thought there. Yes,
>>> you'd think people would learn, but it seems not to be so. 'We had
>>> the Trail of Tears because we were different; let's get these
>>> freedmen out of our group, because they are different.' Or those
>>> natives in CA. that were posted about here. Tribalism just seems to
>>> be part of the human condition. 'We live on this side of the
>>> mountain, we hate the people who live on the other side of the
>>> mountain.' I've always felt that you can be as good a person as you
>>> make yourself be, or as bad a person as you let yourself be. The
>>> slippery slope is always the easiest way. But the world is an
>>> increasingly crowded place, with ever more terrible weapons; we have
>>> to get over this mindset that was ok when we were living in the
>>> Stone
>>> Age. It's far too dangerous a way to live today. We have to learn
>>> from the past, not keep repeating it.
>>>
>>> my 2 cents
>>>
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>> -------
>>> I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
>>>
>>> --Daniel Boone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Clara Callahan wrote:
>>>
>>> > What it demonstrates is that "minorities" care no more about other
>>> > "minorities" than the "majority" does. Having been
>>> "discriminated"
>>> > against, themselves, does not prevent them from "discriminating"
>>> > against others. This is not to say that what the Cherokee are
>>> doing
>>> > is wrong. They are not "discriminating." They are defining and
>>> > enforcing requirements, not excluding because of "color." We just
>>> > finished a couple of weeks of conversation about what those whites
>>> > did to those poor Indians and what those whites did to those poor
>>> > blacks. Now the conversation has turned to what those Indians are
>>> > doing to those poor whites and blacks. So far on this board no
>>> one
>>> > is championing either "minority" which, considering the past two
>>> > weeks' conversation, I find quite interesting. What does one do
>>> > when one "minority" goes up against another "minority"? Who you
>>> > gonna root for, the descendents of slaves, the descendents of
>>> > whites who married Indians, or the descendents of Indians?
>>> > This oughtta be good.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Basil Forest <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> > The Cherokee having suffered the slings and arrows (no pun
>>> > intended) of
>>> > racism, and the exclusion from the rights of the majority, I would
>>> > think there
>>> > would be some community of interest and sensitivity in this regard
>>> > on their
>>> > part.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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