It's sad, Anita, that you seem triggered to react to certain posters
and become so irate that your responses don't make sense. Your response
to the simple question Joanne asked has nothing --nada, zip-- to do with
anything she or anyone else has written this week. And who, pray tell, dear
lady, would bother reading all the "stuff" on this list if they had some
secret agenda not related to history?
You keep mentioning history as though it were something separate from the
"recent events". Let me pose another simple question: At what point does
"history" begin? And who decides?
Now before you start your reply, please know that I am not related to anyone
on this mail list, that I began accessing the list's archives some time ago
at the suggestion of one of the members with whom it so happens no one has
argued with, at least not this year. Furthermore, although you seem to
find it suspicious, the reason I only recently started posting has to do
with the my having reached completion of an intensive project that I must
admit, has absolutely nothing to do with history --accept for the fact that
it happened!
Gus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] The Law & Lynching
>I have a hard time envisioning how those who espouse hate today, influenced
>those in the past. I mean that would be quite a feat wouldn't it? I would
>argue the opposite, that some of those with hate speech take their cue from
>events of the past. Free Speech is one thing, but when people (usually
>someone deranged), acts on that speech, you can be held liable. This is
>what happened with a young man was lynched (I believe in the 1970's), and
>his mother sued the KKK (I believe it was in Alabama). Also there was a
>case of an Ethopian, who was beat to death with a bat in Washington State,
>by a skinhead. I believe his family also sued the KKK.
>
> The difference between recent events, and history , is that there are laws
> in place now. There were no laws, or ineffective laws to deal with the
> lynchings of the past. This topic is about historical events, and not
> recent events, and that is the point I attempted to make to Lylye.
> However, there are those on the list who have objectives other than
> History.
>
> Anita
>
>
>>From: qvarizona <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: The Law & Lynching
>>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:56:24 -0700
>>
>>Anita,
>>
>>Do you think the Commonwealth of Virginia ever existed in a vacuum?
>>
>>--Joanne
>>
>>
>>
>>Anita Wills <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I see a problem with the logic
>>here. We are talking about Virginia history,
>>and you continue to bring in events that happened in the recent past. If
>>you
>>stick to the topic, you may get some helpful responses.
>>
>>Anita
>> >From: "Lyle E. Browning"
>> >Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>> >
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Re: The Law & Lynching
>> >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:08:57 -0400
>> >
>> >By your logic, then only German and Austrian Nazis qualify? None of the
>> >other nationalities? No Nazis who moved to South America? No neo- Nazi
>> >skinheads, White Aryan Nation types, of the more recent mutations, etc.
>> >etc. etc.?
>> >
>> >I do not ascribe to the hyper-relativist argument as it only leads to
>>the
>> >bad guys proliferating. Once again, Hitler was an insignificant small
>> >group of 1 who metastasized into the full-blown horror. Likewise the
>> >growth of Islamic extremists or you name the group starts with a few
>> >and
>> >grows into the many.
>> >
>> >My view on them is quite simple. Stomp the hell out of all of them,
>> >regardless of origin.
>> >
>> >If that is still incomprehensible to you, we agree to disagree, with my
>> >sympathies.
>> >
>> >Lyle Browning, RPA
>> >
>> >
>> >On Jun 25, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Anne Pemberton wrote:
>> >
>> >>Lyle,
>> >>
>> >>Your last response reminds of the old "one drop rule" whereby if a
>> >>person's heritage include "one drop" of non-white blood, they were
>> >>"demoted" to the discriminated-against group.
>> >>
>> >>Why does it bother you so much that a handful of African-American MAY
>>be
>> >>racists when there are still so many white-Americans who still boldly
>> >>express their racism. If one racist is one too many, it seems you
>>should
>> >>focus your scolding on the largest groups, rather than the
>> >>insignificantly small group.
>> >>
>> >>Let's clean up our own boots before we point to the mud on our
>>neighbor's
>> >>boots.
>> >>
>> >>Anne
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Anne Pemberton
>> >>[log in to unmask]
>> >>http://www.erols.com/apembert
>> >>http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>>
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