At the risk of fanning the flames, I should note that mathematically
speaking, in the short hand of BASIC:
SHERMAN <> SHERIDAN (i.e. Gen. Sherman is not the same as Gen. Sheridan.)
Little Phil Sheridan, worked the Valley of Virginia in the last year of The
War. Meanwhile, Sherman was solidifying the Atlanta sector and preparing
for his famous March to the Sea. (My grandmother used to tell of her
mother's two memories of Sherman when he came through Milledgeville, GA (1)
The troops could not catch the guiena hens who were too fast for them and
thus avoided being a bellum version of Chick-Fil-A. (2) some troops went
over to the Episcopal Church and poured mollasses down the organ pipes. #2
is substantiated in several accounts of the March to the Sea.)
Probably Sherman's major contribution to the vernaculer is his famous "WAR
IS HELL". It indeed was and is, and I expect that burning of "Virginia"
county records was simply one more act which bespeaks of the insanity and
inhumanty of war. I recall some years ago of trying to find genealogical
records in Henrico County, only to find that first the British in the
Revolution and then the Union troops in The War, destroyed most of the
records. And of course, our own Thomas Jefferson repopulated the book
collection of the Library of Congress after the British burnt Washington in
the War of 1812.
I don't know where Sheridan went after The War, but I know that Custer was
assigned to the west, and got a job for his old West Point Classmate, and
former adversary on the Confederate side, Gen. Rosser. The story was that
Custer got Rosser a job as surveyor for one of the railroads, and Custer's
men protected the surveying teams, but when attacked Rosser was known to set
aside his surveying instruments, and pick up rifle and join the fight. I
believe he eventually settled in Charlottesville or Waynesboro, but have
neve seen a definitive biography of the man.
Randy Cabell
----- Original Message -----
From: "qvarizona" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:04 PM
Subject: [VA-HIST] Blame it all on Sherman?
> Good for you, Ray. Let it rest. I didn't particularly think either you
> or Randy were funny when you joked about Sherman, but I see no reason for
> anyone to get terribly upset, even if your jokes were in bad taste. Who
> amongst us hasn't had a joke fall flat?
>
> Joanne
> Another "Genealogical-Skitzo", descendant of early Virginians and
> lots of Yankees, including John and Priscella. They ALL fought,
> particularly
> the Scots-Irish, who, as we all know, were " Born Fighting."
>
>
> Ray Bonis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> ha!
>
>
>
>
>
> Joan Brooks wrote:
>
>> Mr. Bonis, there is no "fun" in the human pain and loss incurred on all
>> sides of the war. One does not tastefully compare the devastation of
>> war to
>> the minor event of burning a supply train.
>>
>> Oh, yes, and wasn't Sheridan, at the orders of Grant and Sherman, the
>> great
>> Indian destroyer? Oh, yes--- just following orders, like in his
>> depredations in the Valley.
>>
>> If you want to poke fun at war, make it something humorous, like
>> stealing a
>> General's frock coat, or better yet, stealing a General himself.
>>
>> As to a Jamestown celebration, I doubt 2007 will outdo 1957 which I was
>> fortunate to attend, or 1907 for which I wasn't yet present.
>>
>> Joan Logan Brooks
>> a Southside Virginian through 11 proven generations
>>
>> and a great-granddaughter of a Yankee too cowardly to serve the Union
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Bonis"
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Anniversary celebrations in the 21st century
>>
>>
>>> I was just responding with a little humor to Mr. Cabell's remarks who
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "I'm hardpressed to think of any GREATEST since (reading of) Col. Mosby
>>> welcoing Gen. Sheridan to the northwest corner of
>>> Virginia by burning his supply train, north of Berryville."
>>>
>>> By the way, Gen. Sheridan (*Philip Hendry Shridan*) had a very fine time
>>> in Virginia. "Here he contested Gen. Early's Confederate troops,
>>> destroyed crops which were the breadbasket of the Confederate army,
>>> defeated and killed Gen. J.E.B. Stuart (famous cavalry leader of the
>>> south) and eventually, in the battle of Cedar Creek, drove Early out of
>>> the valley. As the war neared its end Sheridan was the leader in forcing
>>> Gen. Lee out of his Petersburg, Va. defenses and eventually cutting off
>>> his retreat at Appomattox Court House." [From
>>> www.netpluscom.com/~pchs/sheridan.htm]
>>>
>>> He was a very effective Yankee General in Virginia. Maybe if he could
>>> magically be in charge of promoting Jamestown 2007 celebrations the
>>> prospects for its success would be much improved.
>>>
>>> Ray B. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Joan Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Bonis, please make your snide remarks elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ray Bonis"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Anniversary celebrations in the 21st century
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the last GREATEST excitment was when Lee gave up and the
>>>>> North
>>>>> won. Now that was fun.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy Cabell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very well said. Maybe its just my getting older, but I also now
>>>>>> really want
>>>>>> to look into Virginia and family things within the larger context of
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> was going on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> re the biggest "excitement" and the hope that Jamestowne things will
>>>>>> heat up
>>>>>> as we approach it, I say Amen. Lets see...... our biggest excitement
>>>>>> was...... hmmmmm..... I'm hardpressed to think of any GREATEST since
>>>>>> (reading of) Col. Mosby welcoing Gen. Sheridan to the northwest
>>>>>> corner of
>>>>>> Virginia by burning his supply train, north of Berryville.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randy Cabell
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Anniversary celebrations in the 21st century
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I attended that conference in 2004 sponsored by the Omohundro
>>>>>>> Institute
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I thought it was interesting mainly because it did put Jamestown
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>> context with information on other European nations, West Africa and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Native
>>>>>>> Americans that were here before the arrival of the British.
>>>>>>> Jamestown
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not happen in a vacum, the whole world was on the move and surely to
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> Jamestown and the world that was created here can be better
>>>>>>> understood
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the backdrop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know but I am going to assume that when we finally get
>>>>>>> closer to
>>>>>>> 2007
>>>>>>> there will be other conferences held in Williamsburg &
>>>>>>> Jamestown.......and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> will be very appeciative if as a " local history buff" I am able to
>>>>>>> attend. I
>>>>>>> will say that the Jamestown 2007 Steering Committee has their work
>>>>>>> cut out
>>>>>>> for them because locally the biggest thing to happen in the area in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> couple of years is the opening of the Bass Pro Shop off of 64, maybe
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> has now
>>>>>>> be surpassed by the BRAC Commissions decision to close Fort
>>>>>>> Monroe....let
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Condo building begin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Selma Stewart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/21/2006 9:23:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are we "celebrating," exactly? The Omohundro Institute of
>>>>>>>> Early
>>>>>>>> >American History and Culture sponsored a very DEEP scholarly
>>>>>>>> confer-
>>>>>>>> >ence in 2004, almost ignoring Jamestown itself by placing it in
>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>> >context with West African tribal traditions circa 1607, etc. The
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> >conference on the Jamestown Commemoration website that I saw was
>>>>>>>> >focused on modern democracy. Better not go there.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Ray Bonis
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