Say what? This really is a hard thread to follow. I can't figure out what
one post has to do with the other!
Tom
Eastern Shore & More
http://easternshoremore.com
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From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: be careful what you wish for
I disagree with this post, although I know you believe what you stated. If
Jefferson had no knowledge of slavery being a sin, why would he state, "I
tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice
cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson. That is a statement that tells me
a lot about what Jefferson did and did not know. At the same time he made
this statement, he was espousing the inferiority of Natives and Africans,
and using the Bible to justify their enslavement. So please spare me the
speech about Jefferson and men of his ilk. I save my sympathy for the slaves
who could not marry, nor be free, and who were separated from their families
on the word of slave owners. I know that many want to say these men were
innocent, and romanticize that period, but some of us have different
perceptions.
Yet we have come a long way, not because of, but in spite of those like
Jefferson. At least Washington freed his slaves upon his death. Jefferson
did not, but left even his rumored lover in bondage. Yet America has come a
long way, not because of, but in spite of those like Jefferson.
Anita
-- "Peter V. Bergstrom" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Listers all:
I have just spent four days trying to figure out why I had lost my emails
from
the list.
Let me say that Doug Alexander at LVA has done more than yeoman service
trying
to fix this. He deserves much applause from all of us -- even if you've had
no
problems.
What it all came down to is that someone -- I presume a former member of the
list -- had issues with the recent re-evaluation of TJ and Sally. In fact
they
had such great issues that instead of simply unsubscribing from the list
they
tried to nuke the list by reporting the LVA list-server to Road Runner --
which
happens to be my ISP -- as a spammer. Given the recent traffic re: TJ,
etc.,
Road Runner through its automated monitoring of potential spam traffic
decided
that LVA -- even though it is a SUBSCRIPTION driven list -- was an
UNSOLICITED
spammer and blocked its emails from local delivery.
IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOU WANT???
If for any reason you want to opt out of one of our discussions -- please do
so -- by using your delete function -- or as a last resort unsubscribe. But
PLEASE do not penalize the rest of us by the ill-considered reaction of
equating
the list with spam. Telling your ISP that you think LVA is spamming may --
and
my case -- did lead to consequences I'm sure the unhappy lister had not
intended. It was a privately initiated CENSORSHIP of all the LVA listers.
The FIRST AMENDMENT limits the distance that your hand can come towards my
nose,
but it does not limit your right to offend me, or my right to offend you, as
long as it is a verbal or written statement. Moreover it fully protects
your
right and mine to say no I don't want to hear it -- within our private
spaces,
but while it protects your space from mine, it does not allow you to
infringe my
space, or me to infringe upon yours.
Having now vented my frustrations over all of this, let me say that while I
don't always agree with all of the postings on this list, and in fact am
occasionally offended by some of them, I encourage everyone to post their
honest
and I hope sincere beliefs about historical issues, whatever they may be.
I'd
much rather be confronted by what might be uncomfortable discussions, than
never
having been asked to reconsider my views in light of other points of view
and
other interpretations of the evidence. That's what I think we are or should
be
doing as historians.
So, last rant, let's all try to be polite and tolerant -- and when someone
really pulls your chain just hit the delete button with great gusto!!!
Thanks for putting up with my rants.
Peter
Peter V. Bergstrom, PhD
Independent Historian
Computer & Historical Consultant
336-286-8654
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