what a curious notion that the United States government does not have
the right to send troops to a US fort built by US taxpayers and manned
by US troops. Lincoln was sending food in any event, but even if he
were sending troops seems that that is what countries do. THis history
a fascinating one; I wonder if there are any documents to support it.
Paul Finkelman
President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
and Public Policy
Albany Law School
80 New Scotland Avenue
Albany, New York 12208-3494
518-445-3386
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>>> [log in to unmask] 02/14/07 10:05 PM >>>
When the Federal's started reinforcing Maj. Anderson's troops at Ft.
Sumter
they broke the Armistice, which is filed on record with the War
Department
and Department of Navy, Dec. 6 1860. Since Lincoln assured that Ft.
Sumter
was to be evacuated by March 15, 1861, it never happen , Judge Campbell
who
was appointed by Sec Seward to serve as intermediary between Confederate
Commissioners assured them they would not reinforce Ft. Sumter, but
Federals
keep reinforcing troops at Ft. Sumter. Who provoked who?
By the way, just why did Lincoln try to force Virginia to dissolve their
Constitution Convention on Feb 13, 1861 Also since Judge Baldwin and
Summers
( both from Virginia and served on the Constitution Convention of
Virginia)
both known to be Pro-Union, voted to dissolve from the Union?
David Anderson
Not a lawyer but don't play one on TV either
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"Every time I look at Atlanta I see what a quarter
of a million Confederate soldiers died to prevent."
~ John Shelton Reed
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-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Long accurate memories
last time I knew it was troops in SOuth Carolina that starting the
shooting, not Lincoln
Paul Finkelman
President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
and Public Policy
Albany Law School
80 New Scotland Avenue
Albany, New York 12208-3494
518-445-3386
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I never said any such thing. Basil did, and he has a right to his
opinion and a right to voice it and I have a right to agree or disagree
with him. I also never said that all Indians are savages. I said that
Indians who murdered and mutilated were savages and to portray them as
respectable would be a lie.
Abraham Lincoln, may his name live on in infamy, was responsible for
the deaths of 700,000 of the citizens he took an oath to protect, many
of them Indian and black. He advocated a scorched earth policy and gave
tacit approval to rampage, rape and murder. He intentionally destroyed
an entire society, not because Southerners owned slaves but because he
didn't want to let states who from the get-go had constitutional rights
to secede do so. He exiled newspapermen, jailed people who spoke out
against him, freed only those slaves behind Confederate lines, yadda
yadda yadda. HE wasn't respectable, either. The man should have been
tried for war crimes and handed over to a firing squad. Which, come to
think of it, is kinda sorta but not exactly what happened. If you knew
anything about him at all, you would know that he was not anti-slavery
until he started losing the war. He made it clear he did not want
blacks in the state of Illinois and he was open and on record
about his view that blacks could never be equal to whites. He wanted
to ship all of them back to Africa.
Your label of "terrorist" is incorrect and insulting to descendents of
Confederate soldiers, Virginian or otherwise. Furthermore, and just
for the record, the Practitioners of the Religion of Peace did not have
their way in Pennsylvania. They were headed for Washington until the
passengers cut their trip short.
You haven't answered my question.
Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Clara,
You were the one who said folks who were wronged should just "get over
it".
You are the one who insists that Native Americans are savages for the
acts
of a few, despite the peaceful good nature of the rest of them. Now, it
is
your turn to just "get over it".
I find it amusing that the legislature that refuses to honor Lincoln so
long
after the civil war is over, is the same legislature that wretched and
waffled over apologizing to the descendents of former slaves until they
so
watered down the words they used as to be disrespectful.
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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http://www.erols.com/stevepem
http://www.erols.com/apembert
http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clara Callahan"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Long memories
> So lemme get this straight. Descendents of southerners who lived
through
> the invasion need to get over it but descendents of blacks and Indians
> don't?
>
>
>
> Anne Pemberton wrote:
> Henry,
>
> Apparently, some people do not perceive the need to "get over it",
they
> just
> inflict that flippancy to those they disrespect.
>
> Never mind that Virginians "laid waste " to the lives, homes, and
lands of
> the Native Americans. That was OK. But for Lincoln to respond to the
> attack
> of the southern terrorists, was certainly indecent of him. He should
have
> just let those terrorists have their way, as they did in the
countryside
> of
> Pennsylvania.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henry Wiencek"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:02 PM
> Subject: Long memories
>
>
> This just in on the AP wire:
>
> RICHMOND, Va.
>
> Virginia lawmakers killed legislation today that would have made
Virginia
> part of the national commemoration of Abraham Lincoln's 200th
birthday.
>
> . . . Robert Lamb of Richmond, a member of the Sons of Confederate
> Veterans, told the committee that Lincoln ... quote ... "sent armies
into
> Virginia to lay waste to our land."
>
> ***
>
> I guess "with malice toward none" doesn't cut it any longer. Do I hear
> anyone saying "Get over it"?
>
> Henry Wiencek
> Charlottesville
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