Uh, no.....my position is that the states had the right to secede and Lincoln was a tyrant who violated the Constitution and the outcome was 700,000 dead Americans.
"Lyle E. Browning" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: So the logical outcome of your position would be that the USA and the
CSA split? I wonder how many of us would be here now were that to
have been the case? I daresay hardly any. And as for what would have
happened in WWII and the Cold War, presuming they still happened
without the currently configured USA, I'd have to wonder whether we'd
all be in a far greater pickle.
Dorm-room arguments are one thing, reality is another.
Lyle Browning
On Feb 14, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Clara Callahan wrote:
> I never said any such thing. Basil did, and he has a right to his
> opinion and a right to voice it and I have a right to agree or
> disagree with him. I also never said that all Indians are
> savages. I said that Indians who murdered and mutilated were
> savages and to portray them as respectable would be a lie.
>
> Abraham Lincoln, may his name live on in infamy, was responsible
> for the deaths of 700,000 of the citizens he took an oath to
> protect, many of them Indian and black. He advocated a scorched
> earth policy and gave tacit approval to rampage, rape and murder.
> He intentionally destroyed an entire society, not because
> Southerners owned slaves but because he didn't want to let states
> who from the get-go had constitutional rights to secede do so. He
> exiled newspapermen, jailed people who spoke out against him, freed
> only those slaves behind Confederate lines, yadda yadda yadda. HE
> wasn't respectable, either. The man should have been tried for war
> crimes and handed over to a firing squad. Which, come to think of
> it, is kinda sorta but not exactly what happened. If you knew
> anything about him at all, you would know that he was not anti-
> slavery until he started losing the war. He made it clear he did
> not want blacks in the state of Illinois and he was open and on record
> about his view that blacks could never be equal to whites. He
> wanted to ship all of them back to Africa.
>
> Your label of "terrorist" is incorrect and insulting to
> descendents of Confederate soldiers, Virginian or otherwise.
> Furthermore, and just for the record, the Practitioners of the
> Religion of Peace did not have their way in Pennsylvania. They
> were headed for Washington until the passengers cut their trip short.
>
> You haven't answered my question.
>
> Anne Pemberton wrote:
> Clara,
>
> You were the one who said folks who were wronged should just "get
> over it".
> You are the one who insists that Native Americans are savages for
> the acts
> of a few, despite the peaceful good nature of the rest of them.
> Now, it is
> your turn to just "get over it".
>
> I find it amusing that the legislature that refuses to honor
> Lincoln so long
> after the civil war is over, is the same legislature that wretched and
> waffled over apologizing to the descendents of former slaves until
> they so
> watered down the words they used as to be disrespectful.
>
> Anne
>
>
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clara Callahan"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Long memories
>
>
>> So lemme get this straight. Descendents of southerners who lived
>> through
>> the invasion need to get over it but descendents of blacks and
>> Indians
>> don't?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anne Pemberton wrote:
>> Henry,
>>
>> Apparently, some people do not perceive the need to "get over it",
>> they
>> just
>> inflict that flippancy to those they disrespect.
>>
>> Never mind that Virginians "laid waste " to the lives, homes, and
>> lands of
>> the Native Americans. That was OK. But for Lincoln to respond to the
>> attack
>> of the southern terrorists, was certainly indecent of him. He
>> should have
>> just let those terrorists have their way, as they did in the
>> countryside
>> of
>> Pennsylvania.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Anne Pemberton
>> [log in to unmask]
>> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Henry Wiencek"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:02 PM
>> Subject: Long memories
>>
>>
>> This just in on the AP wire:
>>
>> RICHMOND, Va.
>>
>> Virginia lawmakers killed legislation today that would have made
>> Virginia
>> part of the national commemoration of Abraham Lincoln's 200th
>> birthday.
>>
>> . . . Robert Lamb of Richmond, a member of the Sons of Confederate
>> Veterans, told the committee that Lincoln ... quote ... "sent
>> armies into
>> Virginia to lay waste to our land."
>>
>> ***
>>
>> I guess "with malice toward none" doesn't cut it any longer. Do I
>> hear
>> anyone saying "Get over it"?
>>
>> Henry Wiencek
>> Charlottesville
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