To Anne, you again:
The real problem is that you rely on and agree with those tales and
imaginings of Annette G.Reed who considers them facts. Reasonably, that kind
of lying can't be dealt with; and isn't worth, and is a waste of time
dealing with. I put you and A. Reed in a class with Bill O'Reilly. I
recently had eye surgery and am trying to limit my reading activities. But I
have read excerpts of what she writes and is written about her writings.
Otherwise, her writing about slaves socializing and conjured up tales, other
than her defiling of historical facts, might be educational and worth
reading.
(Miss) Adrian Zolkover
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
> Herb,
>
> I fail to see how a "debate" is going to solve anything. Only the most
> modern DNA testing available can produce the kind of evidence that will
> convince you and others of what the circumstantial evidence already points
> to.
>
> If, as you say, the descendents of Madison Hemings agreed orally to a
> exhumation and testing, but then balked when faced with signing the papers
> to allow it, we would need to look into what reasons were brought up on
> the document that were not discussed in the oral agreement. Rather than
> blast them for making a decision based on their own preferences, it would
> be better to find out what the stumbling block REALLY is instead of
> conjuring up possibilities in you own mind and putting them into their
> mouths. This displays great disrespect on your part, and tends to conjur
> up the suppositions that even when the evidence is presented to you, you
> will find some excuse not to accept it. Perhaps, instead of accusing them
> of some nefarious reason to refuse, you should be assuring them that you
> welcome the knowledge that they are part of the family, and address the
> issues that are causing them to refuse, after you ascertain what they are.
>
> Anne
>
>
>
> Anne Pemberton
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> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herbert Barger" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>
>
>> (L) So, are you willing to have DNA done for all of the parties? (H) I
>> have long proposed this but as explained earlier RETESTING John Weeks
>> Jefferson Eston's descendant again would only produce a match because
>> his blood is that of the Jeffersons. A test of William, son of Madison,
>> might prove fruitful BUT they refuse such a test and if it didn't come
>> out the right way, then there goes the ballgame and the domino effect
>> would be disastrous to their claims and they, Monticello and others with
>> agendas KNOW this.
>>
>> The well known Jefferson researcher, Dr. Dan Jordan at Monticello would
>> not touch it and suggested that I suggest it to them, but not pressure
>> them (what pressure would I be expected to exert), which I had already
>> done and they at first orally, by phone, approved but when faced with
>> the official forms to sign they REFUSED to sign. Dr Jordan's suggestion
>> to me came while they were deciding the issue. YES, I have e-mails. So
>> much for accurate research there.
>>
>> Lyle Browning
>>
>> Herb Barger
>>
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