Anne,
What I have added to the discussion is a factual, and not a total accounting
of many, many e-mails I have regarding this controversy. I don't believe I
saw a comment on the numbered examples of CENSORSHIP that I reveal. I
suppose you assume the censorships were warranted. All I see is "to be
honest....you have not added anything to the discussion other than
registering dismay." Let others on this list comment on the ten points I
relate and not totally depend on your "to be honest" beliefs.
Maybe I should quote from some of the many e-mails I have to convince you
and others that the public is being "CONNED." One example: Just yesterday, a
well recognized TJ impersonator, Clay Jenkinson, stated for a Seattle TV
station, KING5.com (pull it up and make your own decision),that TJ fathered
possibly one and then possibly 5-6 of Sally's children. How did he figure
this out. He had earlier visited Monticello and conferred with Dan Jordan,
Monticello President, who STILL sticks with his Monticello study, conducted
by a slave oral history specialist, that TJ fathered possibly not just one
but ALL of Sally's children. I believe most of our readers recognize enough
about this study to know that ONLY ONE Hemings was tested, so why this
outrageous BELIEF that TJ fathered all? Does anyone see any manner of
"lockstep" here? Dan Jordan is WRONG, Clay Jenkinson is wrong and you, the
public and Mr. Jefferson is the worse for it. I URGE all who read this to
act on it in your own manner to expose those who would use false and
contrived statements in the name of political correctness to flood their
e-mails with expressions of disgust at their unproved statements. This also
applies to AGR's book, the publisher and the many book reviewing sources
they have flooded.
You are correct that I do not know for a fact that TJ fathered or did not
father Sally's children. If we knew that we would have settled this issue
long ago. My whole study is to determine whether or not past claims such as
Madison Heming's claims that he is descended from TJ. His brother, Eston,
NEVER thought that. Madison's descendants REFUSE to permit a DNA test. I
don't consider my factual reporting on this list is "ranting and raving" as
you charge. It is indeed, an opposition to your own ads for Cat Books, etc.
and your uninformed statements. Your whole argument seems to be that he
owned slaves, THEREFORE he fathered a slave's children. Why don't you and
AGR PROVE that he did............she is very brazen to state that he
fathered 7 of Sally's children.....yet she is up for a "book award." We can
all guess that a movie or TV Special is next.
Anne, if you and others (very few according to private e-mails I receive),
wish to remain ignorant of the "facts" that is your choice. You are
listening to sound bites and announcements and ads that certain people and
organizations wish you to believe. I have cited 10 instances and you have
chosen to attack my intentions rather than add your own "facts" or comments
to refute my statements.
Herb Barger
Herbert,
To be honest, you have not added a single grain of anything to the
discussion other than registering your dismay that you are not afforded the
voice of others, including Annette Gordon-Reed. Perhaps the reason your
"words" were not included in the tv shows is because you were too strident
in making your point, as you tend to be on this forum.
Your actual point is that we don't know for sure if the father of the
children was Thomas Jefferson, or not.
That does not mean that he was NOT the father, it just means that the
evidence is not absolute. If people choose to accept the available evidence
as conclusive that TJ did the deed, that is their choice. No amount of your
ranting and raving is going to change the minds of those who believe that
slavery was so immoral that the likelihood of another immoral act is going
to be more true than not.
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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