Neil,

Whoever else in the political spectrum may be happy or unhappy to have 
Jefferson's paternity of Sally's children established as fact is not of any 
real concern to most of those who are a part of this discussion on this 
list. To insert politics is to launch a sucker punch to the discussion.

I did not quote Jon Kukla with book in hand, but from memory reading it in 
recent months. Whether or not in the many small print pages at the end of 
the book which I typically do not read, he specified exactly in what 
condition the materials were, I cannot say. He did say that it was written 
when Tom was a teenager and trying to come to grips with a value system for 
meeting his personal needs.

Had Tom written on the same subject later in life, we could perhaps discern 
if he changed his opinion over the years, but he did not favor us with such 
a discourse. We can, of course, conjecture from his actions, beginning with 
an advance to a single girl who rejected his proposal, and then followed by 
many years of courting married women, including his wife. Compare what he 
did to his plans at age 15. (Easier if you read Kukla).

As to "pimping" I am using it with a sense of humor. I am striving to put in 
perspective those rather silly remarks that assert the stating of a fact 
which  is circumstantially likely, but neither proven, and nor disproven 
.... is "lying".

If such authors as Kukla, who clearly distinguish the established facts from 
the circumstantially likely facts, are publishing "lies", then, it is 
equally true  that TJ must have been pimping his maid for whatever price or 
favors he could earn.

I do seriously doubt that anyone who feels that TJ fathered children by his 
maid is engaging in an attempt to enlarge the size of government any more 
than has been done in recent years with the current administration. If you 
are going to talk history, talk history. Don't try to assign political 
labels to differences in interpreting historical facts. And, do not forget 
that, as president, Tom Jefferson unilaterally decided to double the size of 
the country without prior consent of congress. If you want to learn more 
about that incident, go to: 
http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/books/Louisiana.html  it will put you 
right into the event!

Anne






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