I think that man's inhumanity to man no matter what his ethnic
background is equally gruesome and well documented (and should not be
hidden from children--how else do they learn) and that we should all now
be able to agree that no one group is superior or inferior in that
regard. Can we move on or at least move to trying to prove a superiority
on the humanity side.
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Jessica Welton wrote:
> and I'm sure chopping off peoples heads and putting them on spikes to
> rot for all to see is much more civilized.
> Or drawing and quartering.
> Or dare I bring in some contemporary events?
>
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Katharine Harbury wrote:
>
>> Sounds similar to the practice of decorated skull drinking cups among
>> the early Russian rulers- if I recall correctly, one of these rulers or
>> princes ended up as the victim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Debra Jackson/Harold
>> Forsythe
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:21 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Native American Culture
>>
>> The famed British General Lord Kitchener (1850-1916), victor at the
>> Battle of Omdurman in the Sudan (1898), took a trophy to commemorate his
>> victory.
>> He had the body of the Mahdi, the Muslim prophet who had initially led
>> the revolt against Egyptian rule in the Sudan, disinterred. The skull
>> was cleaned and decorated as a ceremonial drinking cup which Kitchener
>> kept with him throughout his military career, which included command
>> service in the Anglo-Boer War (1898-1902) and in WW I (1914-1918).
>>
>> The more one knows of history, the more reluctant one is to judge
>> precisely what acts denote civilization or its absence.
>>
>> Harold S. Forsythe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Clara Callahan" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: Native American Culture
>>
>>
>>> At the risk of stating the obvious, wholesome, non-savage people don't
>>
>>> sacrifice/murder and then scrape their victims' brains out of their
>> skulls
>>> with mussel shells.
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Doug,
>>>
>>> Good questions. I want them to realize that the English were not the
>>> heroes
>>> at that point in history. Without the Indians' help, they would have
>> all
>>> perished. I want them to see the Indians are wholesome people, worthy
>> of
>>> respect. Not "savages".
>>>
>>> That is why I set the year at 1609, since Pocahontas would be older
>> than
>>> the
>>> reader, but not yet an adult. The readers of my story range from four
>> year
>>> olds, who have the stories read to them, to young teens who are slow
>> at
>>> learning to read. The most common ages are 7-10 for reading them on
>> their
>>> own.
>>>
>>> Since you asked the questions this evening, I am thinking about 1607,
>> the
>>> summer before the Colonists arrive, and focus only on the daily life
>> of
>>> the
>>> Indians. But, then I can't make the points about the first colonists
>>> listed
>>> above and below.
>>>
>>> I just read an article on Powhatan Women by Helen Rountree at VCU, and
>>> wonder if, since the Powhatans bathed daily, year round, if the
>> colonists,
>>> who if I remember my history well enough, bathed irregularly, smelled
>>> stinky
>>> to the Indians. That would be a fun fact for kids to wrap their grins
>>> around!
>>>
>>> I do appreciate all the help as I develop this story. Already I know
>> that
>>> some things in my original plot will not work. I do want historical
>>> accuracy, since kids get enough fiction from Disney, etal. But, I
>> don't
>>> want
>>> to write a text book, I want it to be a fun read.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
>>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Douglas Deal"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Native American Culture
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anne:
>>>>
>>>> I see your point... I had misunderstood the basic "format" of the
>> book.
>>>> But there is still the question of verisimilitude. What is it that
>> you
>>>> want readers of your book to discover or understand about early
>> Jamestown
>>>> and the native inhabitants of the area? What sort of historical
>> accuracy
>>>> is necessary? What sort is unimportant?
>>>>
>>>> Doug
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