Anita: How right you are. Something like this turned up in a after supper discussion at a local church that works closely with my dad's church. His sister came home disgusted with the lack of knowledge that people in this particular group had about Africa and how advanced it is today. And some of these people were well traveled and educated. She lived in Harlem,NYC for over fifty years,was active in all types of community service organizations and knew many people from Africa and the West Indies. Her husband who is now dead was from Jamaica and always said this about a "certain group of people" that "You have to teach them every thing. "They think that they are so smart but they are quite ignorant". Jane.
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>From: Anita Wills <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Jun 26, 2008 12:42 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
>
>The question you asked shows how little you know about Africa. In the first place Africans were not one family nor tribe. There were Africans who were Muslims, as well as Christians. Africa is three times the size of America, and every race lived on that continent, so who are the Africans you are referring too?
>
>This list is about Virginia History, and we are talking about slavery IN Virginia, not some unknown African who you are pointing the finger at. Most of those sold into slavery were children. My question is why would educated, civilized people purchase and enslave children, no matter who was selling them? There are countries today who sale children into slavery, does that make it right? Would any intelligent, moral person purchase those children?
>
>So lets get back to talking about Virginia History, which includes the enslavement of Indians and Africans. It is not an indictment of Virgina, it is history..., and for better or worse, it is what it is.
>
>Anita
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:28:18 -0500
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Lyle & Craig,
>>
>> Of likely greater importance to others, can someone provide the name of one
>> African man who may share accountabilities for the enslaving of Africans and
>> selling them at various African ports for profit, as described below. The
>> name of just one who was responsible for the relatively few slaves who
>> arrived in the British colony of Virginia would be particulary appealing for
>> a fiery inscription on a large rock maybe placed on the south bank of the
>> Potomac? The name of just one man who may be held accountable for some of
>> the atrocities described below...? And when do atrocities amount to
>> genocide...by Africans against Africans! Why focus on slave traders and
>> only consider a secondary few in Virginia when others were primarily
>> responsible for the endless supply to the world over centuries?
>>
>> More at this link:
>> http://www.slaverysite.com/Body/maps.htm
>>
>> An excerpt for those who don't open the link:
>>
>> "A map of Africa today is shown; the sub-Sahara region, not including South
>> Africa, is where the European slave traders were active. The Portuguese
>> began dealing in black slaves from Africa in the 15th century. Initially,
>> they purchased slaves from Islamic traders, who had established inland
>> trading routes to the sub-Sahara region. Later, as the Portuguese explored
>> the coast of Africa, they came upon the Senegal River, and found that they
>> could purchase slaves directly from black Africans. The European slave
>> trading activity moved south along the African coast over time, as far south
>> as Angola. On the east coast of Africa and in the Indian Ocean region,
>> slaves were also taken from Mozambique, Zanzibar and Madagascar. Many of the
>> slaves were from the interior of Africa, having been taken captive as a
>> result of tribal wars, or else having been kidnapped by black slave traders
>> engaged in the business of trading slaves for European goods. These slaves
>> would be marched to the coast to be sold, sometimes traveling hundreds of
>> miles. Many perished along the way - the numbers can only be estimated.
>> Lovejoy notes that losses on the ships were estimated at 9-15 per cent, and
>> losses at Dutch-ruled Cape Coast castle were reported to be 6-7 per cent.
>> Losses from the point of capture to the point of arrival at the slave
>> trading forts were estimated to be 40% by Miller based on data from Angola.
>> Using Thomas' figure of 11,128,000 live slaves delivered to the New World
>> during the Atlantic slave trade, and considering Lovejoy's and Miller's
>> estimates of losses, the number of captured slaves in the interior of Africa
>> is estimated to be from 21.7 million to 23.5 million people. This figure
>> does not include the many who may have been killed in the process of
>> capture."
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil McDonald
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Craig Kilby" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Lyle,
>> >
>> > What a great question, and I am hoping the answer is yes. I am currently
>> > working on a VFH grant to the Mary Ball Washington Museum and Library to
>> > abstract the estate records of Lancaster County from 1835-1865. We've
>> > finished the gathering phase and are now in the computer input stage.
>> > Needless to say, mention is sometimes made of a slave being sold in
>> > Richmond, but seldom by whom.
>> >
>> > To our surprise, such cases were rare. Perhaps about 10 such entries out
>> > of 1200 records. Even less frequent was the case of a slave being sold
>> > out of the estate at an estate sale or during the term of an account.
>> > Perhaps about 5 such entries for such an event. It seemed to be the norm
>> > to keep the slaves within the estate, and when divided between heirs to
>> > keep them in family groups.
>> >
>> > Regardless, I too would be interested in such a list. It would be a very
>> > valuable addition to this project.
>> >
>> > Thanks for thinking of the question,
>> >
>> > Craig Kilby
>> > Lancaster, VA
>> >
>> > On Jun 24, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Lyle E. Browning wrote:
>> >
>> >> Before I do this the hard way, has anyone got a spreadsheet or other
>> >> computerized list of slave traders for Richmond and for the rest of VA?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >>
>> >> Lyle Browning, RPA
>> >>
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