No, I am not saying that we were the victims of the sale of people. In 1600,
this was not unacceptable policy for any of the European countries or the
Arab countries or Arab people. Obviously, it was not unacceptable to the
Arab sellers or the African warlords who were selling their vanquished
opponents as well. It did not pay to be the losers. 
This is the history of Virginia, the south and the USA. Sorry not to be PC.
But it is sometimes necessary to relate the facts as they occurred, not what
we wish had happened or are we trying to impose on our ancestors what we
know in 2107.
No the Europeans were responsible for their actions. Make the arabs
responsible for their actions. I was also saying that slavery has not
stopped in the 1870's no matter what the books say. Maybe the 'books' are
wrong. Virginia had slaves, so did Mass, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania. The
Quakers were partially responsible for the antislavery movement. 
Slavery happened. It was wrong then it is wrong now. Whether it was in
Virginia then or as it is in Africa today.  

John Philip Adams

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anita Wills
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:26 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Slavery and immoral stance, etc.

Here we go again, talk about history, but only the history that is 
comfortable. We are discussing Virginia history on this list, and 
Washington, Jefferson, and most of the others you mentioned are Virginia 
Historical figures. Yes, the Arabs buy and sale Africans, and historically 
they bought and sold each other, and Europeans. We are discussing Virginia 
and American History, and no one is out of bounds on this list. What you 
appear to be stating is that Europeans were the victims of the Arabs, who 
forced them to buy African Slaves. That argument just does not wash.

Anita


>From: John Philip Adams <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history

>      <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Slavery and immoral stance, etc.
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:30:28 -0500
>
>Arab Slavery may have been written on the books as stopping in the 1870's,
>but that is crock. The Muslims still have slaves, sell slaves and enslave
>people all over a lot of the African continent.
>While everyone is blasting G. Washington, T. Jefferson and all of those
>other nasty slave holders, let's not forget who was selling those prisoners
>and Africans to John Hawkins, Francis Drake, the other English ships'
>captains, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Italians and whoever else showed up 
>on
>the western coast of Africa to transport to the 'new world'. The Arabs were
>the sales agents and the others were the transporters. If you are going to
>complain, complain about the ones who were the instigators, the sellers, 
>and
>the precipitators' of the inequity that we all know occurred called 
>slavery.
>The 1st purchasers of African slaves were the Spanish in the Caribbean and
>Mexico.
>Please condemn the ones, who are responsible for the sale of their fellow
>Africans and their enemies to the shippers for these problems, but please 
>do
>not try to impose 21st century mores' on 18th century people.
>
>John Philip Adams
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Heinegg
>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:36 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Slavery and immoral stance, etc.
>
>Wasn't slavery also stopped by Islamists in Central Asia in
>the 1870s?  What are the best sources for this particular topic?
>
>-----------
>I lent someone my copy of "Islam's Black Slaves" by Ronald Segal, but I
>believe all Islamic countries continued to practice slavery until pressured
>by the West to stop. It was part of their culture which became tied to 
>their
>
>religion. Today, one-third the population of Mauretania are still slaves 
>and
>
>a good percentage of the population of the Sudan.
>Paul

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